NEC elections

michael mcgough · 18-03-2007, 10:53 AM

Petrina said "Foggo was never interested in Dr Abbott it was the other lot at the Sunday Telegraph who were foolishly taken in by the vitriol poured in his direction by our own Press Officer "

How do you know that Petrina?

Petrina · 18-03-2007, 11:46 AM

Pretty obvious "Mr Conspiracy Theory " isn`t it /He has never mentioned Abbott although had he wanted to no doubt there is plenty of useful material on this forum alone to have done so.
Foggo`s interest has lain in Wise and Knapman .

BASILDON BOY · 18-03-2007, 12:51 PM

There have been plenty of UKIP members both current and ex who have spilled their guts to the press. They have enough ammunition for plenty more stories when the time is right...

gc · 18-03-2007, 10:35 PM

I wouldn't say New Britain was racist.... I remember Delderfield bringing attention to the 'Islamification' of some parts of London. I come from Shadwell, in the east end. In Tower Hamlets, muslims have control of local councils, and they are changing the names of wards in order to eradicate any reference to Christian heritage. Is pointing that out racist?

Delderfield is a committed Christian, and is very loyal to the British Commonwealth. I remember him organising a very moving service in St Olave's, in the City, on Australia day, to commemerate the victims of the Bali bombing. The colour guard was supplied by the British Legion.

So I guess that makes him a neo-nazi, a fascist, and a racist. Some of you seem to agree.

Britannist · 18-03-2007, 11:44 PM

GC - could you give me examples please of the names of alleged ward name changes in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets (ie. whereby Christian names of wards have allegedly been altered to non-Christian names) by those who are elected to the council at Tower Hamlets?

Names, dates and which constituency in Tower Hamlets, that sort of thing.

Thank you.

Tom Wilde · 19-03-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Hmm. What about those who used to be in New Britain? Do we hound them too? From Wikipedia:

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The New Britain Party (NBP) is a minor political party in the United Kingdom, which was founded in 1977. It has been led since its inception by Dennis Delderfield, a newspaper owner.
The NBP is anti-immigration and has been described as an "avowedly racist party" by The Observer (May 2001), with longstanding links to 'Rhodesian' organisations promoting apartheid, such as the Springbok Club. A very minor force, the NBP briefly hit the headlines in 1980 when it absorbed the anti-immigration United Country Party, which had been chaired by TV astronomer Patrick Moore.
During the early 1990s, the party emphasised its opposition to the European Union, which probably helped to win it the support of the magazine This England, and attracted several figures who later became prominent in larger anti-EU parties.
Mike Nattrass, an MEP for the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) was once a member of the NBP, and stood for it in the Dudley West by-election of 1994, attracting a mere 146 votes. His fellow UKIP MEP Jeffrey Titford was also briefly a member.
The NBP are overall largely conservative, even reminiscent of the early League of Empire Loyalists. In 2004, the NBP stated that it would not run candidates against Conservatives who were running for any election on a Eurosceptic platform. The party publishes New Britain magazine from time to time.

Actually the difference is huge. It is very hard to imagine anybody passingly familiar with British politics joining or donating to the BNP without being aware of their reputation as a bunch of racists and fascists. I do appreciate that Abbott says that (being resident in the USA at the time) he was so out of touch with British politics that he was indeed unaware of the BNP's rep, but if so then that makes him a very unusual case.

The New Britain Party, on the other hand, may have been going since 1977, but by the mid 90s it was still so tiny and obscure that very few people were aware of the 'interesting', 'idiosyncratic' views of its leader Dennis Delderfield. I used to be a member of the Campaign for an Independent Britain, and their bulletin 'Independence' in the mid 1990s did sometimes make favourable mention of the NBP as being another small, anti-EU party like UKIP. It never mentioned the NBP supporting apartheid or being "avowedly racist". So I'm not remotely surprised that some anti-EU campaigners joined it, and I don't think we can deduce anything at all about their views on race etc from the fact that they did.

jp · 19-03-2007, 10:31 AM

Independence News turned up.

Now for the task of attempting to disentangle the supporters of NF from the pack!

Christina · 19-03-2007, 12:20 PM

http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/...kip_member.php

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I was wrong to back the BNP, says UKIP member
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A WINCHESTER politician with the UK Independence Party has admitted he was "naïve and mad" for donating money to the far-right British National Party.

Dr David Abbott (pictured) made a donation to an associated organisation of the BNP when he was living in the United States.

Dr Abbott, who lives in Shawford, stood for the UKIP in Winchester at the 2005 General Election and polled 1,300 votes.

advertisementHe said he was a victim of his own naivity about the British political situation when he made the donations in 2000 or 2001.

Dr Abbott, 63, said he was living in the United States at the time: "I was not aware of the BNP," he said.

"I heard its leader Nick Griffin speak. I was approached by an aide of his who said his freedom of speech was being impaired back in Britain.

"I was naïve, absolutely and mad. It was a mistake but made with the best of motives.

"It was naïve in several ways - naïve in not thinking what the consequences might be, but more in believing I was thinking this was a good cause.

"I am not a racist. I wish I had not made the donations, now I know what the BNP stands for."

He said he was a supporter of minority causes in the USA including native American rights.

In the mid-90s he was arrested at a demonstration against the building of the M3 through Twyford Down and received damages from Hampshire police for wrongful arrest.

George Hollingbery, the Tory candidate in the 2005 election and the prospective candidate for the Meon Valley, said: "The UKIP voters in this area will be appalled to think that the candidate they voted for at the last election has such direct connections to the BNP."

Mr Hollingbery, who is also deputy leader of Winchester City Council, added: "That Dr Abbott remains on the national board of UKIP despite the party knowing what they know is deeply worrying."

Clearly the Tory candidate is guilty of politically correct spin and lies here.

If UKIP is to be a force against political correctness, then we must not be guilty of using it, or being cowered by it ourselves.

There is a huge difference between a UKIP member who really does have BNP connections, and a UKIP member and member of the NEC who made a donation to them several years ago while living in the States.

IMO, Dr Abbot made a mistake and God help us if he was removed because of the lies that he 'has BNP connections'.

devilskitchen · 19-03-2007, 12:54 PM

Well, we all make mistakes; he has disavowed his donations and that's fair enough...

Biscuitman · 19-03-2007, 01:02 PM

The first box I ticked was for John West - as he correctly says - it is wrong that the eastern region doesn't have representation on the NEC.

Only problem is that if he gets elected the first thing he will be told is that he isn't a delegate - he doesn't represent an area.

Still he deserves a crack at it.

18-03-2007, 11:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 23,176	Wards at Tower Hamlets GC - could you give me examples please of the names of alleged ward name changes in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets (ie. whereby Christian names of wards have allegedly been altered to non-Christian names) by those who are elected to the council at Tower Hamlets? Names, dates and which constituency in Tower Hamlets, that sort of thing. Thank you.

19-03-2007, 12:54 PM	#29 (permalink)
devilskitchen Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 419	Well, we all make mistakes; he has disavowed his donations and that's fair enough... __________________ Unio Europaea delenda est

19-03-2007, 01:02 PM	#30 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	The first box I ticked was for John West - as he correctly says - it is wrong that the eastern region doesn't have representation on the NEC. Only problem is that if he gets elected the first thing he will be told is that he isn't a delegate - he doesn't represent an area. Still he deserves a crack at it. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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18-03-2007, 10:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
michael mcgough Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 1,254	Petrina said "Foggo was never interested in Dr Abbott it was the other lot at the Sunday Telegraph who were foolishly taken in by the vitriol poured in his direction by our own Press Officer " How do you know that Petrina?

18-03-2007, 11:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,064	Pretty obvious "Mr Conspiracy Theory " isn`t it /He has never mentioned Abbott although had he wanted to no doubt there is plenty of useful material on this forum alone to have done so. Foggo`s interest has lain in Wise and Knapman .

18-03-2007, 12:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 2,055	There have been plenty of UKIP members both current and ex who have spilled their guts to the press. They have enough ammunition for plenty more stories when the time is right...

18-03-2007, 10:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 610	I wouldn't say New Britain was racist.... I remember Delderfield bringing attention to the 'Islamification' of some parts of London. I come from Shadwell, in the east end. In Tower Hamlets, muslims have control of local councils, and they are changing the names of wards in order to eradicate any reference to Christian heritage. Is pointing that out racist? Delderfield is a committed Christian, and is very loyal to the British Commonwealth. I remember him organising a very moving service in St Olave's, in the City, on Australia day, to commemerate the victims of the Bali bombing. The colour guard was supplied by the British Legion. So I guess that makes him a neo-nazi, a fascist, and a racist. Some of you seem to agree.

19-03-2007, 10:31 AM	#27 (permalink)
jp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,002	Independence News turned up. Now for the task of attempting to disentangle the supporters of NF from the pack!