Alex McKee

What? Are you serious?
It's common knowledge.

I am still a member of the party, and still very much support the party.

PS: who are these '6'?

Hartlepool

Like I said ONLY YESTERDAY,providing responses to posts that are there to discredit UKIP is real stupid.

With regard to the "other six",have you been on your hols for a while ,or what?

I suggest that you are probably fully aware of who the "former UKIP posters of all things bad about UKIP" are,just look around you and accept what you see there.

As has been said many times in the last couple of days,those who were UKIPPERS and fell out with the party should not attack it if they are or were anti EU.

You should be getting the message now I think AM.

Bluemerle

I think Hartlepool is getting worried.

Don't worry, all will be revealed in due course :wink:

Alex McKee

And yet you continue to do it too. So we're both idiots

Yes, actually. Well not holidays, but not keeping much of any eye on this place.

What I see is a lot of hysterics from all sides.

I quite agree, it's very odd to try and destroy a party that you were once very supportive of.

devilskitchen

Bitterness and jealousy are very powerful emotions. Destructive, but powerful...

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mkpdavies

It's the ex-UKIPaetus. UKIP is elevated to the most evil thing their is in the mind of the sufferer. It means the sufferer feels they must kick UKIP at every chance. Level of it vary, with some managing to remember vaguely why they were fighting in the first place, but some are consumed fully. Some say it can never be cured, but I have seen enocuraging signs this isn't true.

One London for instance have moved on and are focusing on what matters. Even Martin Cole, who had a need fatal dose of the illness has now only very mild signs.

Maybe it will flare up in them again, but I am hopeful that the condition is not permanent.

My latest studies on the illness show that it could actually be a mutation of the illness of supporting a party, soley because of colour of it's rossette. It is like an anti-version of this illness, that sees the sufferer willing to accept any **** it's leaders tell them without question.

Initial trials seem to suggest the cure is the same for both. IE massive injections of who the real enemy is serum and refocus sessions on how to fight this enemy and ignor other trivia.

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Alex McKee

Well, when I left the party temporarily at the end of 2005, I didn't start sabotaging it. So I am afraid I do not understand it at all.

Anthony Butcher

As I said in another thread, part of the problem is that current UKIPpers seem to go out of their way to cause that illness. For example, Mark Croucher came onto the forum and attacked/lied about Richard Suchorzewski several times. RS has had nothing to do with the party for months and avoided all commentary on it, so why on earth is he being attacked again?

David Noakes resigned and would probably have drifted off to do his own thing, but then he was ridiculed by the ex-UKIP Communications Director and others who called him some very unpleasant names. It was absolutely unnecessary.

It is all very well to complain about people attacking the party, but how many of them have been driven there/encouraged by UKIP in the first place?

Anyway, that is me playing devil's advocate to provide the opposite side of Matt's statement

It is time for both sides to calm down and repair some bridges I think.

mkpdavies

You are talking about the opposite illness I was talking about.

I have to say I am bemused at why when people leave, others feel the need to attack them, long after the event. Very weird.

Not true. He left screaming and shouting, after months of screaming and shouting from within. He may beleive he has good reason too, but he isn't squeeky clean on this front.

Richardski did let off a volley on leaving, which was fair enough, but he should have expected a bit of response for that. Why anyone bothers to attack him now though, I have no idea. It acheives absolutely nothing and just makes everyone look stupid.
All of them I would guess, but for me the first part of being cured of this horrible illness, it to realise that and then realise the best thing you can do is ignore and completley disengage with UKIP. Not hang around, sniping and bitching and making it look like you care so much, that you have to keep on attacking and attacking. It's like a dumped wife, coming back for revenge every day and trying to cause grief. She may well have had good reason to leave, but she demeans herself by showing how much it effects her still and allows it to consume her.

No blow the bridge, disengage, get away far away and then maybe over time, time will heal. Then the bridge making process can begin. Do it too early and you will just be tearing into each other within minutes.

Of course there are some who WHANT chaos, arguments and trouble. They don't WANT a sucessful anti-EU movement or an alternative party that could progress. Or they may feel stomping on the seedlings, might allow their own particular seedling might have a better chance.

I'm carefuly trying to work out who those kind of people are. It's quite hard, but overtime you build a better picture as an admin of this place.

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Mark Croucher

Ah, the even-handedness of it all. You can call people liars with impunity, whilst any who suggest you are one yourself are instantly expelled from the forum.

You are perfectly well aware of the sequence of events, and yet continue to be somewhere between economical with the truth and wilfully Nelsonian in turning a blind eye.

And I'd suggest that Noakes was hardly likely to drift off and do his own thing, as subsequent events have proved.

Mark