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Old 24-02-2007, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I blame Oliver Cromwell for UKIP's predicament.

Well why not? People are blaming the Tories, the Media and the Electoral Commission for UKIPs' financial difficulties, when in fact they are solely as a result of the incompetence of the UKIP Leadership, aided and abetted by a few people who think that by being on the NEC they can change things.

Alan Bown has been a decent stick, but not to be on the Electoral Roll is a denial of the first rule of democracy. It is almost impossible these days not to be on the Register and if you are spending vast sums of money urging people to vote UKIP the least you can do is make sure you have a vote yourself.

If the Electoral Commission sticks to its guns and insists on the money I am sure it can be found, but what then? You would have to be really stupid to cough up nearly £400,000 for no electoral gain unless the running of UKIP was put in the hands of someone who knows how to run a Political Party or is willing to listen to good advice.
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Old 24-02-2007, 07:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well why not? People are blaming the Tories, the Media and the Electoral Commission for UKIPs' financial difficulties, when in fact they are solely as a result of the incompetence of the UKIP Leadership, aided and abetted by a few people who think that by being on the NEC they can change things.
*yawn*

You a boring, little man, aren't you?

Look, as far as I can make out there has, indeed, been an oversight. However, UKIP had no real reason to check Brown's Electoral status. They checked originally: why should they have reason to suspect that their main donor, who had given over a series of years, was not on the Register?

The point is that checking status takes time and money; UKIP are pretty much a part-time party; if you've checked before and you have no reason to check again, of course you aren't going to go to the expense of doing so.

However, the issue as I see it is that the NEC have not been doing their job. However, this may be because they were all resigning all over the place. Or resigning twice, presumably for kicks, in some cases.

But given all this, Brian, I assume that you got your papers in for election to the NEC by 5pm yesterday, did you?
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However, the issue as I see it is that the NEC have not been doing their job. However, this may be because they were all resigning all over the place. Or resigning twice, presumably for kicks, in some cases
I am not sure how this gets to be the job of the NEC. We were never informed of a single donation as far as I am aware, and we took no part in the finances, beyond being given a report. I won't go in to what happened when we did try to take an interest... but your criticism is very unfair.
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As I understand it Brian you are a member of the English Democrats. Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts on helping your current party rather than worrying about internal matters of your old one. Failure to do so might lead people to think of you as pety or vindictive.
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As I understand it Brian you are a member of the English Democrats. Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts on helping your current party rather than worrying about internal matters of your old one. Failure to do so might lead people to think of you as pety or vindictive.
...and of course UKIP never bangs on and on about the internal machinations of the tories.

...surely not?
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Ex-UKIP obsessive disorder is now a know medical condition. Many people are effected by it and it blinds the person so much, that they forget what they were fighting for in the first place.

It isn't exclusive to UKIP though. Ex-Tory obsessive disorder effects a number of current UKIPers and the same goes for Labour too.

The difference is, Labour and the Tories do actually need to be smashed, so that this country can get a better alternative. Stomping on UKIP at this stage of it's development, by anyone who claims to see the LibLabCon EU controlled puppet access as the real problem, is just odd.

Draw a line in the sand here people and all focus on the real enemy. Sooner or later one of the new parties/groups or even a combination will become a clear front runner. Then everyone will have a choice.
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I have juat read a piece on www.accountancyage.com about the LibDem treasurer Lord Clement-Jones who 'has to ensure the party's funding is squeky-clean......'

"We spend tens of thousands in the cost of regulation within the party-and also have a full-time staff who ensure we conform" but do they?

I trust the dissidents here will note that paragraph regarding expenditure and full time staff.We in UKIP are ,for the most part, willing unpaid volunteers doing our best in our available free time .**** ups will occur---period.
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I am not sure how this gets to be the job of the NEC. We were never informed of a single donation as far as I am aware, and we took no part in the finances, beyond being given a report. I won't go in to what happened when we did try to take an interest... but your criticism is very unfair.
Perhaps so; however, were I possibly personally liable for any ****-ups, I would demand to take a very close interest in the monies.
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Perhaps so; however, were I possibly personally liable for any c***-ups, I would demand to take a very close interest in the monies.
I take it that you put your name forward for the NEC elections then Good luck with that, and let us know how you get on trying to probe into the finances.
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