Sympathy for UKIP?

Besoeker · 23-02-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

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Originally Posted by Hereward77

Edward Longshanks

For those who don't know, Edward I "Longshanks" was the Plantagenet king who expelled England's entire Jewish population.

I seem to recall he established cordial relationships with the Scots, too :twisted:

Didn't get his wish, though.............

Edward Longshanks · 24-02-2007, 09:35 AM

Oh dear a thread with a serious debating topic has yet again degenerated. So I will happily tell you why I use the name "Edward Longshanks" on this and other forums.

When the appallingly inaccurate and anti-English film "Braveheart" was doing the rounds, there was talk in my office about it. People were saying wasn't William Wallace great and how dastardly Edward was etc. So as a student of history and knowing that Edward I was one of England's greatest monarchs I started defending him. I acquired the nickname there and then "Oh Longshanks is off on one again!" etc being said in the office.

It has nothing to do with expelling Jews, however because I'm in the BNP Hereward77 has to use the opportunity of making the point. Pathetic.

So I will gladly state here for the record. I have Jewish friends (one of them is on the BNP) and have no objection to them being in the party. In fact the Jewish community is under as great if not a greater threat from radical Islam than the rest of us. One of my other historical heroes is Oliver Cromwell, and he let the Jews back into Britain!

As for Edward being a Plantagenet and "non-English", the British people are a fusion of anglo-saxons and celts with a common bond existing across the peoples primarily from Northern Europe. English of course is part of the Teutonic Group of languages closely associated with Old German.

Don't try and pick me up on history sonny because I'll floor you every time!

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g hall · 24-02-2007, 10:31 AM

Edward Longshanks

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knowing that Edward I was one of England's greatest monarchs

As an anglo-saxon I would describe him as a descendant of william the ******* and not the rightful monarch of england

Dissident Congress · 24-02-2007, 12:39 PM

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For the conspiratorially-minded it may be worth considering that from Labour’s perspective it’s better to have a permanently weak, ineffective Tory party on the scene than a Tory party that will eventually collapse and might be replaced by a radical alternative.

Russell White told me that some unwritten agreement exists between Lib-Lab-Con not to inflict excessive damage on each other to the point where one of these parties is on the verge of collapse. The reason for this is that it could give small parties the chance to make inroads into the system and become a permanent political force.

Hereward77 · 24-02-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by g hall

Edward Longshanks

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knowing that Edward I was one of England's greatest monarchs

As an anglo-saxon I would describe him as a descendant of william the b*****d and not the rightful monarch of england

Haha... agreed. Don't get me started on the Royal Family.

Edward Longshanks · 24-02-2007, 07:41 PM

Presumably you're still hiding out in the Fens holding the torch for the anglo-saxons! 8)

Don't mention the Norman Conquest. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!

Edward Longshanks · 24-02-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by g hall

Edward Longshanks

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knowing that Edward I was one of England's greatest monarchs

As an anglo-saxon I would describe him as a descendant of william the b*****d and not the rightful monarch of england

Ahh but he was the monarch and a great one at that. God only knows how many ******* descendants of the often dissolute kings of England are out there. Maybe you or I are one of them.

PS: I'd rather see you on the throne than that berk Prince Charles! :shock:

Hereward77 · 24-02-2007, 07:59 PM

The Royals are neither English nor British. Their allegiances lie elsewhere, IMO.

British Dissident · 24-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

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For the conspiratorially-minded it may be worth considering that from Labour’s perspective it’s better to have a permanently weak, ineffective Tory party on the scene than a Tory party that will eventually collapse and might be replaced by a radical alternative.

Russell White told me that some unwritten agreement exists between Lib-Lab-Con not to inflict excessive damage on each other to the point where one of these parties is on the verge of collapse. The reason for this is that it could give small parties the chance to make inroads into the system and become a permanent political force.

I recall several years ago the maverick Tory MP, Allan Clarke, admitting that there existed a “cross party consensus to shut off considerations of radical alternatives to our decline”.
Obviously UKIP doesn’t fall into the category of ‘radical’ as, like the establishment parties, it’s pro Free Market/USA/Multiracial society etc.

But the more I think about it, the more I’m convinced my initial suspicion was correct. Peter Hitchens has regularly described the Conservative party as an “obstacle” to the creation of a genuinely pro-British movement. It’s a situation I think Blair and his cronies would share and are more than happy to see continue.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 24-02-2007, 09:50 PM

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Edward Longshanks

For those who don't know, Edward I "Longshanks" was the Plantagenet king who expelled England's entire Jewish population.

Yes and Henry VIII I recall killed a load of Catholics, this sort of comment adds nothing to this thread.

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What I don't understand is surely it is in the Labour Party's interest to keep UKIP going to damage the Conservative & Unionist Vote ?

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24-02-2007, 09:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
Edward Longshanks Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bucks Posts: 625	Oh dear a thread with a serious debating topic has yet again degenerated. So I will happily tell you why I use the name "Edward Longshanks" on this and other forums. When the appallingly inaccurate and anti-English film "Braveheart" was doing the rounds, there was talk in my office about it. People were saying wasn't William Wallace great and how dastardly Edward was etc. So as a student of history and knowing that Edward I was one of England's greatest monarchs I started defending him. I acquired the nickname there and then "Oh Longshanks is off on one again!" etc being said in the office. It has nothing to do with expelling Jews, however because I'm in the BNP Hereward77 has to use the opportunity of making the point. Pathetic. So I will gladly state here for the record. I have Jewish friends (one of them is on the BNP) and have no objection to them being in the party. In fact the Jewish community is under as great if not a greater threat from radical Islam than the rest of us. One of my other historical heroes is Oliver Cromwell, and he let the Jews back into Britain! As for Edward being a Plantagenet and "non-English", the British people are a fusion of anglo-saxons and celts with a common bond existing across the peoples primarily from Northern Europe. English of course is part of the Teutonic Group of languages closely associated with Old German. Don't try and pick me up on history sonny because I'll floor you every time! 8)

24-02-2007, 07:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
Edward Longshanks Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bucks Posts: 625	Presumably you're still hiding out in the Fens holding the torch for the anglo-saxons! 8) Don't mention the Norman Conquest. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!