UKIP to become English Party - prediction

Gary · 22-02-2007, 02:39 PM

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Mr. Edward Longshanks wrote: and even if they became independent, the BNP would campaign within Scotland for the Union, the withdrawal from the EU and provide a voice for those Scots who wish to stand with their British cousins for the greater good

It's just a thought, but I wonder whether all of the people of England would want Scotland back in the UK if quit it and then applied to join it again. There might be some English, Welsh and Northern Irish people in the UK who would say that the Union (of the UK) had moved on (after Scotland had voted to leave it) and that no nation which quit the Union could re-enter the UK. Hopefully Scotland won't leave the Union. But if it did, the EU and their friends the Scottish Nationalist (SNP) europhiles would do their best to stop Scotland going back into the UK.

Incidentally, a victory for the vile SNP EU-puppets in the May 2007 Scottish Parliamentary elections does not mean that Scotland would vote to quit the UK if a referendum were held on the matter there.

The chances of the SNP getting an overall majority of its own are slim. Let's hope they do badly in the forthcoming Scottish election.

If they do get a majority, then don't be so sure about the results of a referendum. You can bet the SNP will hold several referendii until the "correct" result comes about - a la the EU methodology. The SNP will be keen to enlist the EU and what better way than renegotiating (new "country", new membership) fishing rights and some of that oil becoming "common resource".

This-England · 22-02-2007, 02:41 PM

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I noticed the following reader's letter following Peter Riddell's ridiculous article in today's Times in which Riddell claims that UKIP poses no threat to the Cameron-Conservatives:

In my opinion UKIP will eventually metamorphose into a English Party (English Radicals)? In any case to say the Tories have nothing to fear is nonsense. The only thing that UKIP lacks is a truly recognisable figure, given that all else will fall into place.

From: Peter Bolt of Redditch (Worcestershire).

* Riddell's article can be found in a separate thread in this section of the forum.

A BNP member recently tried to mock UKIP in my presence over the recent "Independence Party" rebrand. I asked him what the "British" in BNP would stand for, if the SNP gained power in Scotland in May. He said he "hadn't thought of that".

Really? Well let me enlighten you. The BNP stands and will continue to stand for the family of British nations encompassing the English, the Irish, the Scottish and the Welsh. In the dreadful event that the SNP gained power in Scotland, and even if they became independent, the BNP would campaign within Scotland for the Union, the withdrawal from the EU and provide a voice for those Scots who wish to stand with their British cousins for the greater good. PM the e mail of this bloke and I will enlighten him too. If he exists. :roll:

Even John Tyndall said the BNP would become the ENglish National Party if the UK breaks up.
The word British is holding the BNP back in many areas now.

Tom Wilde · 22-02-2007, 02:47 PM

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UKIP should not ignore the 'English question'. It should be speaking out in defence of Englishness, the English, our land, culture and for equality with Scotland within the UK by the setting up of an English Parliament.

The UK has a number of constitutional problems, some of them of long standing and some as a result of Labour's various botched reforms. UKIP must try to sort them out so that the UK works well for another three centuries. This is inevitably going to require compromises, and we won't be able to please everyone totally. The trick is to please as many people as possible in the four countries which make up the UK.

Despite UKIP's principled opposition, the Scottish Parliament is going to continue to exist, because a lot of folk in Scotland wanted something like that. So long as the Scottish Parliament exists, so will the Welsh Assembly. The Welsh may not like it very much, but they'll be damned if the Scots have something that they don't. So long as the Scottish and Welsh bodies exist, English people will feel aggrieved that they don't have a parliament too. We have to find a way to bring the whole system into balance again.

StGeorge · 22-02-2007, 03:03 PM

English is a key word for many of the people trying to destroy this country. The English people have lost any sense of culture and it's going to make it much easier for us to assimilate immigrant communities into England if we become an independent nation by re-inventing what it is like to be English. I don't want it.

I really am envious of the Welsh, Scots and Irish, they have been able to retain their identity and culture so far. I think its great that many people speak in their regional Gaelic accent and haven't had it diluted. Although the Welsh and Scottish nationalists appear to be ignoring everything that's Welsh and Scottish in favour of everything South-East Asian. I can't see how or why the people would vote to destroy their own culture and identity. Even our crown dependencies which aren't part of the EU are going down the pan.

An independent England will be the final nail in this countries coffin regardless of what Tyndall thought. If this country falls apart I can see pockets of England trying to become independent nations in themselves to avoid the continuation of the social experiment being forced on us. We need to educate and continue to be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Failing that, I'll be living off the sea near the Isles of Scilly like Kevin Costner in Waterworld. Feel free to stop by for a cup of tea.

rjt · 22-02-2007, 06:21 PM

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UKIP should not ignore the 'English question'. It should be speaking out in defence of Englishness, the English, our land, culture and for equality with Scotland within the UK by the setting up of an English Parliament.

All europhiles hate the world 'England' or 'English'. The EU won't put the word 'England' on its official map - even though the names of Scotland and Wales are marked clearly.

Pro-EU parties such as Labour and the Liberal Dims go out of their way to avoid the 'E' word. Is UKIP going to do the same?

No they should not ignore the English question and there is much to gain for them for embracing it, I hope an English Parliament will become UKIP policy. Lack of effective policys in this and other areas led to me leaving the party over a year ago.

given the small support they have in Scotland and Wales they essentially are an English Party, there appears little chance of this changing but events could prove me wrong.

Britannist · 22-02-2007, 06:31 PM

As things stand, UKIP might get some support in Wales (whether it is enough to get a seat in the Welsh Assembly this May remains to be seen), but the party is very weak in Scotland at the moment. It will be interesting to see how well the UKIP candidate at South Down does in next month's Northern Ireland Assembly election.

There is a strong case for closer co-operation between UKIP and the English Democrats to avoid vote splitting - at least at local level.

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Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	UKIP support in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland As things stand, UKIP might get some support in Wales (whether it is enough to get a seat in the Welsh Assembly this May remains to be seen), but the party is very weak in Scotland at the moment. It will be interesting to see how well the UKIP candidate at South Down does in next month's Northern Ireland Assembly election. There is a strong case for closer co-operation between UKIP and the English Democrats to avoid vote splitting - at least at local level.

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22-02-2007, 03:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 416	English is a key word for many of the people trying to destroy this country. The English people have lost any sense of culture and it's going to make it much easier for us to assimilate immigrant communities into England if we become an independent nation by re-inventing what it is like to be English. I don't want it. I really am envious of the Welsh, Scots and Irish, they have been able to retain their identity and culture so far. I think its great that many people speak in their regional Gaelic accent and haven't had it diluted. Although the Welsh and Scottish nationalists appear to be ignoring everything that's Welsh and Scottish in favour of everything South-East Asian. I can't see how or why the people would vote to destroy their own culture and identity. Even our crown dependencies which aren't part of the EU are going down the pan. An independent England will be the final nail in this countries coffin regardless of what Tyndall thought. If this country falls apart I can see pockets of England trying to become independent nations in themselves to avoid the continuation of the social experiment being forced on us. We need to educate and continue to be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Failing that, I'll be living off the sea near the Isles of Scilly like Kevin Costner in Waterworld. Feel free to stop by for a cup of tea.