Farage criticised over dolphins in Tory MEP's attack on UKIP

SGK · 19-02-2007, 08:43 AM

Why are the UKIP MEPs voting on the passing of any EU legislation? What exactly is the purpose of their being there?

eublues · 19-02-2007, 08:57 AM

I would say that their being there has made a major difference to keeping opposition to the EU alive in the UK and across the EU. No longer is opposition to the EU regarded as totally freaky even in the mainstream media.

SGK · 19-02-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by eublues

I would say that their being there has made a major difference to keeping opposition to the EU alive in the UK and across the EU. No longer is opposition to the EU regarded as totally freaky even in the mainstream media.

How do you come to this conclusion? Please expand, because I don't see that at all.

mkpdavies · 19-02-2007, 09:36 AM

If it wasn't for UKIP, the only voices against further Union would be the few Tories, who are allowed to say things to keep the perception of eurosceptism in Blue Labour alive.

Farage ******* of Blair alone was worthwhile to me. For me the only things UKIP should be doing there, is digging up dirt and making it look bad.

That is it.

Britannist · 19-02-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SGK

What exactly is the purpose of UKIP being there (in the EU 'Parliament')?

Apart from all the other reasons, UKIP contesting EU Elections and winning representation in Brussels stops europhiles from taking those seats now occupied by UKIP. By fielding candidates in EU Elections, UKIP is able to have a couple of television (and radio) election broadcasts viewed right across the UK. There is no other opportunity for UKIP to get the message against the EU across in a national television broadcast (than at election times in the UK).

Having UKIP in Brussels - in the EU headquarters; on EU 'Parliament' committees and available to give interviews to the media presence covering EU proceedings - is the very last thing that the EU (and its supporters in the UK and elsewhere) want.

SGK · 19-02-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

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Originally Posted by SGK

What exactly is the purpose of UKIP being there (in the EU 'Parliament')?

Apart from all the other reasons, UKIP contesting EU Elections and winning representation in Brussels stops europhiles from taking those seats now occupied by UKIP.

I've not got a problem with that.

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Originally Posted by Britannist

By fielding candidates in EU Elections, UKIP is able to have a couple of television (and radio) election broadcasts viewed right across the UK. There is no other opportunity for UKIP to get the message against the EU across in a national television broadcast (than at election times in the UK).

Or that.

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Having UKIP in Brussels - in the EU headquarters; on EU 'Parliament' committees and available to give interviews to the media presence covering EU proceedings - is the very last thing that the EU (and its supporters in the UK and elsewhere) want.

Or that, though on this last point I feel they are woefully quiet.

However, none of this answers the question of why they are contemplating, considering and then voting one way or the other on general EU legislation. The only possible reason would be if they voted a standard 'no' to all legislation because they don't want the EU to legislate, which would be a defence in this case, but I don't believe they do.
The performance of the UKIP MEPs has been the single greatest cause of my disillusionment with the party.

22ANDUK · 19-02-2007, 12:49 PM

Am I alone here in being quite angry that dolphins are hurt and dying as a result of intensive fishing?

They are intelligent, graceful mammals and deserve our protection not ridicule!

harryaldridge · 19-02-2007, 01:00 PM

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Am I alone here in being quite angry that dolphins are hurt and dying as a result of intensive fishing?

They are intelligent, graceful mammals and deserve our protection not ridicule!

You are not alone. I hate the idea that dolphins are injured or killed by humans for no good reason. Dolphins are intelligent creatures and they cannot protect themselves from humans.

Christina · 19-02-2007, 01:45 PM

We should protect dolphins.

Tom Wilde · 19-02-2007, 01:49 PM

I agree. Dolphins are wonderful, and there are recorded cases of them protecting shipwrecked mariners from sharks.

Surely UKIP's main aim in this area - allowing UK fishermen to catch enough fish to make a living - must be compatible with ensuring the safety of dolphins? I think this is another Tory smokescreen, but it demonstrates the need for a sensible, well-thought-through fisheries policy covering sizes of catches and types of nets.

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19-02-2007, 08:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
SGK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,237	Why are the UKIP MEPs voting on the passing of any EU legislation? What exactly is the purpose of their being there?

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eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	I would say that their being there has made a major difference to keeping opposition to the EU alive in the UK and across the EU. No longer is opposition to the EU regarded as totally freaky even in the mainstream media.

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22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	Am I alone here in being quite angry that dolphins are hurt and dying as a result of intensive fishing? They are intelligent, graceful mammals and deserve our protection not ridicule!

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Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	We should protect dolphins.

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Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,924	I agree. Dolphins are wonderful, and there are recorded cases of them protecting shipwrecked mariners from sharks. Surely UKIP's main aim in this area - allowing UK fishermen to catch enough fish to make a living - must be compatible with ensuring the safety of dolphins? I think this is another Tory smokescreen, but it demonstrates the need for a sensible, well-thought-through fisheries policy covering sizes of catches and types of nets.