Peter's Hitchen's blog mention of UKIP

22ANDUK · 19-02-2007, 12:43 PM

This is my favourite quote:

Quote:

What we need is A British National Party. Unfortunately what we have is THE British National Party.

Posted by: Dean Stuart | 15 February 2007 at 08:04 PM

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co....pondence_.html

They like you Paul:

Quote:

A Harrison said:

"Paul Beck is at it again. Splitting hairs. Worring about the detail"

"oooh that Paul Beck, grrr!"

Paul Beck · 19-02-2007, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22ANDUK

This is my favourite quote:

Quote:

What we need is A British National Party. Unfortunately what we have is THE British National Party.

Posted by: Dean Stuart | 15 February 2007 at 08:04 PM

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co....pondence_.html

They like you Paul:

Quote:

A Harrison said:

"Paul Beck is at it again. Splitting hairs. Worring about the detail"

"oooh that Paul Beck, grrr!"

LOL I just bought up some minor details that challenged what they said; they didn't like that, too much like having a reasoned debate :wink:

UKIP MAN · 19-02-2007, 02:53 PM

For all those who didnt catch N F on talk sport Gaunty I have put the questions and answer on www.youtube.com/ukipman

22ANDUK · 21-02-2007, 01:38 PM

To those redirected from:

Hitchens at it again: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/view...asc&highlight=

Peter Hitchens does speak sense though, UKIP is being perceived as a party for disgruntled Tories. It needs to broaden its appeal a bit more. I've got a fair bit of Left in me (though do not consider myself Left-Wing!) and still support UK withdrawal from EU.

But! This, from Peter Hitchens:

Quote:

I am not hostile to UKIP.

Is an absolute achievement!

eublues · 21-02-2007, 01:43 PM

If left means opposed to PFI and the like, then I'm one of them too.

22ANDUK · 21-02-2007, 02:29 PM

To a certain extent yes, but not opposed to the idea of public/private co-operation. also Left in the support of anti-monopoly (anti-trust) laws, protectionism to a certain degree of local and small business, nationalised control of key utilities (gas, electric, water, as well as nuclear) and opposition to the exploitative nature of globalisation to name but a few. Support free education and not necessarily supportive of cutting of all taxes - but do support the reduction of the state and cutting of particular taxes (i.e. inheritance).

I am a supporter of Co-operatism ([url)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative[/url])

Blimey, rambled there a bit. But there you go EUblues! 8)

Internationalist · 21-02-2007, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eublues

If left means opposed to PFI and the like, then I'm one of them too.

Many on the left oppose PFI because they are ideologically opposed to private sector involvement. However, for supporters of the free market there are many reasons to oppose PFI too, including: (a) the risk is still effectively borne by the state, thus it negates normal assumptions about the role of private sector investment, profit and risk; (b) the costs are too high due to the nature of the tendering and contract process; (c) the liabilities are kept off balance sheet by the government, thus understating their true impact on the public finances.

eublues · 21-02-2007, 04:14 PM

Indeed - PFIs stink from the left, right or centre. I've no problem with the state running things and the private sector running other things.

Mix the two in 'partnerships' and you get the worst of both - both inefficiency and rip-offs.

Oliver · 21-02-2007, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Seriously, that is a massive move in the positive direction.

That would make me Pike I guess.

No Matt

definately not
Joe Walker, (the cockney spiv) :P

:wink:

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19-02-2007, 02:53 PM	#23 (permalink)
UKIP MAN Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,898	For all those who didnt catch N F on talk sport Gaunty I have put the questions and answer on www.youtube.com/ukipman

21-02-2007, 01:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	If left means opposed to PFI and the like, then I'm one of them too.

21-02-2007, 02:29 PM	#26 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	To a certain extent yes, but not opposed to the idea of public/private co-operation. also Left in the support of anti-monopoly (anti-trust) laws, protectionism to a certain degree of local and small business, nationalised control of key utilities (gas, electric, water, as well as nuclear) and opposition to the exploitative nature of globalisation to name but a few. Support free education and not necessarily supportive of cutting of all taxes - but do support the reduction of the state and cutting of particular taxes (i.e. inheritance). I am a supporter of Co-operatism ([url) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative[/url]) Blimey, rambled there a bit. But there you go EUblues! 8)

21-02-2007, 04:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	Indeed - PFIs stink from the left, right or centre. I've no problem with the state running things and the private sector running other things. Mix the two in 'partnerships' and you get the worst of both - both inefficiency and rip-offs.