prober

Realpolitik shows nothing is going to happen..........yet. Nigel seems surrounded by yes men who jump to tell him what they think he wants to hear and before asked abuse and slander anyone who dares to differ with status quo including those with intelligent suggestions ( de ja vu Saddam... ) . THose who left UKIP made a mistake and should rejoin.

The reason is that until after May elections its not about Nigel or the EU or UKIP its about this evil government and failure of other parties to offer a real alternative to the political consensus. There are only 2 parties left as vehicles for the public to express their anger with the political class and are set up sufficiently to hurt L/LD/Con to force them to rethink . ie BNP and UKIP . Today the Populus pll was published showing only 46% of young people favour the big 3 and are looking for an alternative . 6% back the BNP. 60% dont accept high taxes & would rather see less government spend.

The time to refresh the reform ideas is after the May elections on which the buck stops at the leader . Major success he is vindicated. Major failure means the day of the yes men ( who say we dont need to have any central planning for such things because all we have to do is say "No" & the public will flock to us ) should be over. & under a cold shower Nigel will have to listen or have people depart.

Petrina

Prober is right ,nothing will happen until after the May elections ,but now is the time to start thinking about what sort of a party structure we should have .More grassroots or more of the same .

michael mcgough

"Watch this space"

Please keep it to one side of A4 .

brian lee

Prober saidAs I indicated previously, it has always been tomorrow in UKIP. The realistic tomorrow has already passed by and the king is still in his castle while most of the serfs say what a great king he is and a handful run around beating their breasts, complaining amongst themselves and hoping that the king will be transformed by a visiting angel.

"Where is Dick Morris, by the way?"

Petrina

That visiting angel was called upon by the previous king not particularly linked to this one .
There is of course always the Heffer angel -he of fierce demenour and flaming red hair .

SponPlague

Ah, yes, Metatron, the "Heavenly Scribe"

brian lee

Shall we talk about the weather now?

SponPlague

How beautifully blue the sky,
The glass is rising very high,
Continue fine I hope it may,
And yet it rained but yesterday.
To-morrow it may pour again
(I hear the country wants some rain),
Yet people say, I know not why,
That we shall have a warm July.
To-morrow it may pour again
(I hear the country wants some rain),
Yet people say, I know not why,
That we shall have a warm July.

michael mcgough

Shall we talk about the weather now?

I think loaves and fishes more appropriate.

devilskitchen

To be fair, this is not true: Trixy gives him a hard time, and I have been giving the leadership in general a hard time about a number of things (and getting somewhere). The main problem is that they are all very busy people.

They are trying to listen but the party has been such a total effing shambles for so long that it needs a total overhall.

The best place to start any kind of change would be in the local branches. If they can show that they can get themselves sorted, it makes it so much easier to do things at the top.

Why is it, for instance, that so much of the press responsibility for the local elections and the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Ireland elections are being heaped on the central Press Office, when they only have two people working there?

Everyone says that this is a grassroots party: OK, let's see that in action. I have seen, for instance, a lot of griping about the main UKIP website, but the sites of most of the branches are either unremarkable or an active disgrace.*

You want reform? Then lead by example.


* In order to try and help, I am allocating each branch a section on IndependenceHome.org: if someone could sign up there with the username "ukip_[your branchname]", I will implement your page, add you as a group (so that you can't accidentally stuff the site and no one else can muck round with your pages) and put a link to your current site up there.

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