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22ANDUK · 11-02-2007, 06:45 PM

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Coming on top of their recent 40 votes in Horsham, these results do call into question whether there is any point in the party fighting local by-elections. In Scandinavia, anti-EU parties contest European Parliamentary elections, but do not contest domestic elections, preferring to act as pressure groups, who accept members of all political persuasions. That might be a sensible approach for UKIP to adopt.

http://politicalbetting.com/index.ph...friday-slot-9/

An interesting article with further chat regarding UKIP's recent displays. Worth a read, has been mentioned on these forums in the past. It could save money and give UKIP a clear focus, but without a local support network and without a PR system of voting for the Commons UKIP would probably never win a seat as an MP.

mkpdavies · 11-02-2007, 06:46 PM

Of course that would benefit the old LibLabCon-sensus the most wouldn't it.

I don't think so.

JCUKIP · 11-02-2007, 07:32 PM

The liblabcon are very well established, ukip is only 10years old aprox. Ukip is developing very fast and with its initiative to change its image from being "the anti-eu party" to the "right of centre independence party" Ukip is bound to start winning seats soon.

Bluemerle · 11-02-2007, 08:00 PM

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The liblabcon are very well established, ukip is only 10years old aprox. Ukip is developing very fast and with its initiative to change its image from being "the anti-eu party" to the "right of centre independence party" Ukip is bound to start winning seats soon.

UKIP was going like a train after the 2004 Euro Elections. Then we had the public spectacle of Roger Knapman fighting with Robert Kilroy Silk. Then nothing. Nothing was done to take the party forward, which should have been easy as we had been very successful and UKIP was on nearly everyone's lips.

I blame the Leaders, Knapman and Farage, because they did nothing to promote the Party, it was as though they had got their seats in the Brussels Parliament, nice fat salaries, expenses and pensions to look forward to so why bother anymore.

In two years we will have the Euro Election again!!!

Tom Wilde · 11-02-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluemerle

I blame the Leaders, Knapman and Farage, because they did nothing to promote the Party, it was as though they had got their seats in the Brussels Parliament, nice fat salaries, expenses and pensions to look forward to so why bother anymore.

So you haven't been watching tv or reading the papers much in the last few months?

andypandy · 11-02-2007, 09:25 PM

If - IF, UKIP had been better organised at the top, the oucome of the Euro elections nearly 3 years ago could have been dramatic; the possibility of a SDP effect by taking on board - and KEEPING - high profile media celebraties to the cause of UK Independence from the EU would have seen seat after seat falling to a new wave of people unafraid to be associated with a minority political party dedicated to a cause of liberty and freedom of expression, against a increasingly repressive politically correct esablishment, obssessed as it is, with a big Euro brother future.

Money and favours would have flooded in, and in time, the patronage of media moguls, adding fuel to UKIP's fire.

The treatment and handling of Kilroy-Silk should go down as one of the biggest opportunity blunders and tactical ineptitude, ever witnessed in recent times by a fledgling political party.

How CAN UKIP recover from that? It seems to have been downhill ever since?

Tom Wilde · 11-02-2007, 09:37 PM

Can anybody else hear the sound of jackboots?

(rubs ear and looks puzzled.)

andypandy · 11-02-2007, 09:41 PM

Tom, what are you on about? UKIP needs to take on board criticism from what ever source, if the end result is a better party and more people willing to support them. The country does not have time to waste in deciding which are the nice guys and who are the bad, we need a party that can get us out of the EU quagmire and out of the gradual slide into police-state politics.

JCUKIP · 11-02-2007, 10:54 PM

UKIP do need to change thier image a little, they come across as a one policy party. However they certainly are not a pressure group, eurosceptic pressure groups such as the think tanks: "policy exchange", "Civitas" are much more sucessful in that.

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11-02-2007, 07:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
JCUKIP Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 31	The liblabcon are very well established, ukip is only 10years old aprox. Ukip is developing very fast and with its initiative to change its image from being "the anti-eu party" to the "right of centre independence party" Ukip is bound to start winning seats soon.

11-02-2007, 09:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	If - IF, UKIP had been better organised at the top, the oucome of the Euro elections nearly 3 years ago could have been dramatic; the possibility of a SDP effect by taking on board - and KEEPING - high profile media celebraties to the cause of UK Independence from the EU would have seen seat after seat falling to a new wave of people unafraid to be associated with a minority political party dedicated to a cause of liberty and freedom of expression, against a increasingly repressive politically correct esablishment, obssessed as it is, with a big Euro brother future. Money and favours would have flooded in, and in time, the patronage of media moguls, adding fuel to UKIP's fire. The treatment and handling of Kilroy-Silk should go down as one of the biggest opportunity blunders and tactical ineptitude, ever witnessed in recent times by a fledgling political party. How CAN UKIP recover from that? It seems to have been downhill ever since?

11-02-2007, 09:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,924	Can anybody else hear the sound of jackboots? (rubs ear and looks puzzled.)

11-02-2007, 09:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Tom, what are you on about? UKIP needs to take on board criticism from what ever source, if the end result is a better party and more people willing to support them. The country does not have time to waste in deciding which are the nice guys and who are the bad, we need a party that can get us out of the EU quagmire and out of the gradual slide into police-state politics.

11-02-2007, 10:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
JCUKIP Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 31	UKIP do need to change thier image a little, they come across as a one policy party. However they certainly are not a pressure group, eurosceptic pressure groups such as the think tanks: "policy exchange", "Civitas" are much more sucessful in that.