UKIP Policy Review

22ANDUK · 03-02-2007, 06:36 PM

Is it time to update and expand UKIP's current policies.

http://www.ukip.org/index.php?page=m...=manifesto2005

The current page on www.ukip.org is still rooted in 2005 and is fairly brief.

The current break-up only lists 9 areas (see below), with Energy, Environment and Transport all grouped under 'Other Policies'. These three are crucial at the minute I feel UKIP could be missing out on certain issues.

The Economy
Health and Welfare
Education
Home Affairs
Agriculture and Fisheries
Defence and foreign affairs
Other Policies
British Governance
British Society

Firstly, I've read a lot about the enviornment on these forums I get the incorrect feeling many people associated with UKIP don't care about the environment. I reject the notion of eco-dictatorships too but still believe the UK with Europe and the world should co-operate on these issues through (ideally) EFTA and the UN. Does UKIP really care about the environment?

Secondly what policies would you like to see amended, adopted or dropped by the party for the May 2007 Local Elections, the 2009 European Elections and/or a subsequent forthcoming General Election?

tito · 03-02-2007, 07:19 PM

From what I gather UKIP does care for the environment, but not for fear politics and eco tax

Millennium3 · 03-02-2007, 07:22 PM

If you are a UKIP member applications are being invited for Policy Working Groups at present - DCB is organising this.

I agree with you that UKIP has to take the environment seriously if it hopes for any success. Before yesterdays IPCC report at least 60% believed that GW was as a result of mankinds activities - with the IPCC saying this is now 90% certain - the 60% is certain to grow. What chance have UKIP of any success whilst it is stuck with NF's 'withchcraft' comment.

It will be interesting to learn whether the working parties are bound by NF's apparent MMGW denial. Appropriate policies without MMGW are turned on their heads with MMGW.

mkpdavies · 04-02-2007, 06:56 AM

I hope UKIP remains a voice speaking out against one world tyranny and all the mechanisms being used to make it happen. It should never be afraid to speak out against bullying, lies and power grab methods. It has been ridiculed, abused, told it was in the minority on the EU, I see big parralels here.

On the environment I would like to see more promotion of

Energy efficiency
Reuse instead of recyle, address the throw away culture.
Preservation of Greenbelt
A return to local preference for food production
A serious study into the optimum levels of population any particular area can sustain without wrecking the place.
An end to the destruction of Britain's marine life
Penalties for REAL polluting practices in business, incentives for clean.

22ANDUK · 04-02-2007, 11:59 AM

What about adopting a policy of 're-wilding'? It's a great way to maintain natural landscapes and restore bio-diversity.

Already East Anglia is re-wilding a series of salt marshes on its coast to help with erosion, as the marchses simply absorb the sea and fail to provide it with any form of barrier, it all also attracts rare wildlife.

Article here:

http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...icle139196.ece

Whilst the reintroduction of wolves, wild boar, elk and lynx could be used to boost eco-tourism and regenerate the rural economy. Highlands of Scotland could be a good candidate whilst the restoration of the Fens is another new project, helping restore the natural landscape, the local ecology and create jobs.

http://www.greatfen.org.uk/

Maybe UKIP could elaborate on these points?

mkpdavies · 04-02-2007, 12:04 PM

I'm not very clued up on that subject. I know UKIP has quite a few true greenies ( IE people who really care about the environment, rather than envirofascists who only think their opinion counts and think the whole world should be forced into submitting to their beliefs).

The most I have read on the subject, is conversion of ex-landfill sites into wildlife habitats. Sounds like a bloody good idea to me, but with the immense pressure for building space now, that issue has to be solved first.

22ANDUK · 04-02-2007, 12:27 PM

Some more websites here:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=uk

http://wildernessfoundationuk.blogsp...-examples.html

http://www.swlg.org.uk/WLN65b.htm

I think it's a great policy, a great chance to preserve and restore our small island's natural flora and fauna, and prevent Britain sliding into a giant Tesco car-park. We all need wilderness, nature and space around us for our physical and mental health, as well as a connection to our past. Reintroducing lost fauna and rewilding parts of unused land is a great way of boosting tourism and regenerating local economies. Areas include Dartmoor, the Highlands, Cairngorms, Lake District, swathes of east Anglia and others. I reckon its a great topic and something UKIP could adopt to highlight its growing specialisation of non-EU related policies.

Zak64 · 04-02-2007, 02:31 PM

The site 22anduk recommended is excellent.

http://www.swlg.org.uk/WLN65b.htm

As I understand it there was no tax on the sale of timber, so buying very cheap land in Scotland, planting it up with Silka fir trees and waiting 20 years for a tax free payday was attractive to some. Certainly that was the situation in the mid 1980s, as I remember my father looking at it as an investment.

Personally I consider it essential that UKIP has sound green policies, and I hope the current\forthcoming policy initiatives come up with some good green ideas.

Not only do serious Green policies make UKIP attractive to people who would not normally consider themself UKIP voters, but it gets us away from the dreaded 'single issue party' tag. It would make us far more mature and credible as a party.

The idea of wolves being reintroduced to scotland has been popping up quite a bit in mainstream media recently. That would be an eye catching initiative for UKIP to support. There is a current attempt to reintroduce the Great Bustard onto the Wiltshire plains, so this is all current thinking.

http://www.greatbustard.com/

Millennium3 · 04-02-2007, 04:17 PM

How about prison ships moored off areas that require sea defences strengthened? Prisoners get basic rations if they do not want to work in the gangs that do this work - privileges if they do? Do we still have prison ships - might solve the prison shortage problem at the same time!

Millennium3 · 04-02-2007, 07:25 PM

I had not noticed this:

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2860

DCB is clearly sticking to NF's 'witchcraft' line. No hope for GW policies then.

03-02-2007, 06:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	UKIP Policy Review Is it time to update and expand UKIP's current policies. http://www.ukip.org/index.php?page=m...=manifesto2005 The current page on www.ukip.org is still rooted in 2005 and is fairly brief. The current break-up only lists 9 areas (see below), with Energy, Environment and Transport all grouped under 'Other Policies'. These three are crucial at the minute I feel UKIP could be missing out on certain issues. The Economy Health and Welfare Education Home Affairs Agriculture and Fisheries Defence and foreign affairs Other Policies British Governance British Society Firstly, I've read a lot about the enviornment on these forums I get the incorrect feeling many people associated with UKIP don't care about the environment. I reject the notion of eco-dictatorships too but still believe the UK with Europe and the world should co-operate on these issues through (ideally) EFTA and the UN. Does UKIP really care about the environment? Secondly what policies would you like to see amended, adopted or dropped by the party for the May 2007 Local Elections, the 2009 European Elections and/or a subsequent forthcoming General Election?

04-02-2007, 06:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	I hope UKIP remains a voice speaking out against one world tyranny and all the mechanisms being used to make it happen. It should never be afraid to speak out against bullying, lies and power grab methods. It has been ridiculed, abused, told it was in the minority on the EU, I see big parralels here. On the environment I would like to see more promotion of Energy efficiency Reuse instead of recyle, address the throw away culture. Preservation of Greenbelt A return to local preference for food production A serious study into the optimum levels of population any particular area can sustain without wrecking the place. An end to the destruction of Britain's marine life Penalties for REAL polluting practices in business, incentives for clean. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

04-02-2007, 12:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	I'm not very clued up on that subject. I know UKIP has quite a few true greenies ( IE people who really care about the environment, rather than envirofascists who only think their opinion counts and think the whole world should be forced into submitting to their beliefs). The most I have read on the subject, is conversion of ex-landfill sites into wildlife habitats. Sounds like a bloody good idea to me, but with the immense pressure for building space now, that issue has to be solved first. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

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03-02-2007, 07:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
tito Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Pembrokeshire Posts: 3,035	From what I gather UKIP does care for the environment, but not for fear politics and eco tax

03-02-2007, 07:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,762	If you are a UKIP member applications are being invited for Policy Working Groups at present - DCB is organising this. I agree with you that UKIP has to take the environment seriously if it hopes for any success. Before yesterdays IPCC report at least 60% believed that GW was as a result of mankinds activities - with the IPCC saying this is now 90% certain - the 60% is certain to grow. What chance have UKIP of any success whilst it is stuck with NF's 'withchcraft' comment. It will be interesting to learn whether the working parties are bound by NF's apparent MMGW denial. Appropriate policies without MMGW are turned on their heads with MMGW.

04-02-2007, 11:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	What about adopting a policy of 're-wilding'? It's a great way to maintain natural landscapes and restore bio-diversity. Already East Anglia is re-wilding a series of salt marshes on its coast to help with erosion, as the marchses simply absorb the sea and fail to provide it with any form of barrier, it all also attracts rare wildlife. Article here: http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...icle139196.ece Whilst the reintroduction of wolves, wild boar, elk and lynx could be used to boost eco-tourism and regenerate the rural economy. Highlands of Scotland could be a good candidate whilst the restoration of the Fens is another new project, helping restore the natural landscape, the local ecology and create jobs. http://www.greatfen.org.uk/ Maybe UKIP could elaborate on these points?

04-02-2007, 12:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	Some more websites here: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=uk http://wildernessfoundationuk.blogsp...-examples.html http://www.swlg.org.uk/WLN65b.htm I think it's a great policy, a great chance to preserve and restore our small island's natural flora and fauna, and prevent Britain sliding into a giant Tesco car-park. We all need wilderness, nature and space around us for our physical and mental health, as well as a connection to our past. Reintroducing lost fauna and rewilding parts of unused land is a great way of boosting tourism and regenerating local economies. Areas include Dartmoor, the Highlands, Cairngorms, Lake District, swathes of east Anglia and others. I reckon its a great topic and something UKIP could adopt to highlight its growing specialisation of non-EU related policies.

04-02-2007, 02:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
Zak64 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Poland On Sea (Bournemouth) Posts: 821	The site 22anduk recommended is excellent. http://www.swlg.org.uk/WLN65b.htm As I understand it there was no tax on the sale of timber, so buying very cheap land in Scotland, planting it up with Silka fir trees and waiting 20 years for a tax free payday was attractive to some. Certainly that was the situation in the mid 1980s, as I remember my father looking at it as an investment. Personally I consider it essential that UKIP has sound green policies, and I hope the current\forthcoming policy initiatives come up with some good green ideas. Not only do serious Green policies make UKIP attractive to people who would not normally consider themself UKIP voters, but it gets us away from the dreaded 'single issue party' tag. It would make us far more mature and credible as a party. The idea of wolves being reintroduced to scotland has been popping up quite a bit in mainstream media recently. That would be an eye catching initiative for UKIP to support. There is a current attempt to reintroduce the Great Bustard onto the Wiltshire plains, so this is all current thinking. http://www.greatbustard.com/

04-02-2007, 04:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,762	How about prison ships moored off areas that require sea defences strengthened? Prisoners get basic rations if they do not want to work in the gangs that do this work - privileges if they do? Do we still have prison ships - might solve the prison shortage problem at the same time!

04-02-2007, 07:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,762	I had not noticed this: http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2860 DCB is clearly sticking to NF's 'witchcraft' line. No hope for GW policies then.