ashley mote

Internationalist · 21-01-2007, 04:27 PM

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good god scotgirl will be back next :x

That would be fun.

mkpdavies · 21-01-2007, 04:28 PM

Did she ever really leave?

That is the question.

Tom Wilde · 21-01-2007, 07:41 PM

Perhaps I should make clear that the paragraph in my earlier post didn't come from Wikipedia, but that I wrote it using information from Wikipedia. Yes, Wikipedia is often inaccurate (hardly surprising givevn how it is compiled) but I think the facts in my paragraph could very easily be checked from other more reliable internet sources by anyone here. If you have doubts about any of the facts in it, please do say which and don't try to evade the issue by simply dissing Wikipedia.

The word fascist isn't just "part of the vocabulary of the left". It was the term which Alessandra Mussolini's granddad and his mates invented to describe their own political movement and the party which they created to support their repressive regime. The National Fascist Party was the only legal party in Italy for nearly two decades, and Alessandra Mussolini's own party (with which Ashley Mote has just allied his foolish self), is a direct descendent of that party and is the self-proclaimed guardian of Benito Mussolini's heritage. What word other than fascist would you like me to use to describe that? "Post-fascist" would wrongly imply that the present-day party had repudiated the views of the National Fascist Party - which it hasn't.

Robert Edwards · 21-01-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

The word fascist isn't just "part of the vocabulary of the left". It was the term which Alessandra Mussolini's granddad and his mates invented to describe their own political movement and the party which they created to support their repressive regime. The National Fascist Party was the only legal party in Italy for nearly two decades, and Alessandra Mussolini's own party (with which Ashley Mote has just allied his foolish self), is a direct descendent of that party and is the self-proclaimed guardian of Benito Mussolini's heritage. What word other than fascist would you like me to use to describe that? "Post-fascist" would wrongly imply that the present-day party had repudiated the views of the National Fascist Party - which it hasn't.

I was referring to your use of the term "neo-fascist" and not just "fascist" as a political term of the 1920s and 1930s. "Neo-fascist" was used by you as a term of abuse with the purpose of proscription. You used "Holocaust denial" in a similarly disingenuous way, when no one is saying the persecution of the Jews did not take place. They just want to discuss it without being dragged off to prison.
Post-fascist is not a repudiation of the fascist past. It transcends it, going beyond it. I am post-fascist and I declare that on my web site http://www.europeanaction.com

Internationalist · 21-01-2007, 10:09 PM

Thank you at least for your honesty about the true meaning of "European Union". :shock:

Robert Edwards · 21-01-2007, 10:24 PM

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Thank you at least for your honesty about the true meaning of "European Union". :shock:

You can not get more honest than me. What is the point of trying to pull the wool over people's eyes?

Ted Bovis · 22-01-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

The word fascist isn't just "part of the vocabulary of the left". It was the term which Alessandra Mussolini's granddad and his mates invented to describe their own political movement .

Actually, it comes from 'Fasces'. which refers to an axe wrapped in a bundle of sticks. In Roman times, this was carried by a 'Lictor'. a sort of magistrate, and was a symbol of his judicial power. Visit Rome, and you will see the Fasces depicted on many old buildings. Interestingly, you will also see a Fasces very prominent on the back of the golden carriage that the Queen used at her coronation and for her golden jubilee. I also noted a Fasces on the Lincoln memorial in Washington DC. Poleart's 'Collanade' in Brussels, based on the Trajan column, which is also home to the tomb of the unknown soldier has one. Early 20th century Russian and US banknotes incorporated the Fasces in their designs.

Mosley's party had a Fasces on its flag, but dropped it in favour of the 'Flash and Circle', (also known, by their rivals, as the 'Flash in the Pan').

Italian warplanes, during that country's brief involvement in WW2, had Fasces on their wings and fuselage.

Its not new, it is indeed one of the oldest political symbols.

This-England · 22-01-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

Perhaps I should make clear that the paragraph in my earlier post didn't come from Wikipedia, but that I wrote it using information from Wikipedia. Yes, Wikipedia is often inaccurate (hardly surprising givevn how it is compiled) but I think the facts in my paragraph could very easily be checked from other more reliable internet sources by anyone here. If you have doubts about any of the facts in it, please do say which and don't try to evade the issue by simply dissing Wikipedia.

The word fascist isn't just "part of the vocabulary of the left". It was the term which Alessandra Mussolini's granddad and his mates invented to describe their own political movement and the party which they created to support their repressive regime. The National Fascist Party was the only legal party in Italy for nearly two decades, and Alessandra Mussolini's own party (with which Ashley Mote has just allied his foolish self), is a direct descendent of that party and is the self-proclaimed guardian of Benito Mussolini's heritage. What word other than fascist would you like me to use to describe that? "Post-fascist" would wrongly imply that the present-day party had repudiated the views of the National Fascist Party - which it hasn't.

Tom do you think Mussolini saved Italy from Communism?

Ted Bovis · 22-01-2007, 08:32 PM

Robert, I checked out your website, and enjoyed it.

I was privileged to know Jeffery Hamm, albeit briefly. He told me uncategorically that Mosley would absolutely not have approved of the socialistic manifestation of European Union that we see today.

Remember he changed his opinion about Ireland, a subject he was once prepared to potentially sacrifice his career over.

Mosley was the greatest of all, the best Prime Minister we never had. His star will never fade.

This-England · 22-01-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted Bovis

Robert, I checked out your website, and enjoyed it.

I was privileged to know Jeffery Hamm, albeit briefly. He told me uncategorically that Mosley would absolutely not have approved of the socialistic manifestation of European Union that we see today.

Remember he changed his opinion about Ireland, a subject he was once prepared to potentially sacrifice his career over.

Mosley was the greatest of all, the best Prime Minister we never had. His star will never fade.

Much of his opinion in favour of a United Europe seems to be to counter the USSR and USA.
Now the USSR is gone its not needed.
The USA will be next to go when the Hispanics take control of the South West and the rest of the USA goes through a Brazilianisation.

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21-01-2007, 07:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,924	Perhaps I should make clear that the paragraph in my earlier post didn't come from Wikipedia, but that I wrote it using information from Wikipedia. Yes, Wikipedia is often inaccurate (hardly surprising givevn how it is compiled) but I think the facts in my paragraph could very easily be checked from other more reliable internet sources by anyone here. If you have doubts about any of the facts in it, please do say which and don't try to evade the issue by simply dissing Wikipedia. The word fascist isn't just "part of the vocabulary of the left". It was the term which Alessandra Mussolini's granddad and his mates invented to describe their own political movement and the party which they created to support their repressive regime. The National Fascist Party was the only legal party in Italy for nearly two decades, and Alessandra Mussolini's own party (with which Ashley Mote has just allied his foolish self), is a direct descendent of that party and is the self-proclaimed guardian of Benito Mussolini's heritage. What word other than fascist would you like me to use to describe that? "Post-fascist" would wrongly imply that the present-day party had repudiated the views of the National Fascist Party - which it hasn't.

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Internationalist Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,235	Thank you at least for your honesty about the true meaning of "European Union". :shock:

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Ted Bovis Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 112	Robert, I checked out your website, and enjoyed it. I was privileged to know Jeffery Hamm, albeit briefly. He told me uncategorically that Mosley would absolutely not have approved of the socialistic manifestation of European Union that we see today. Remember he changed his opinion about Ireland, a subject he was once prepared to potentially sacrifice his career over. Mosley was the greatest of all, the best Prime Minister we never had. His star will never fade.