Congdon joins UKIP

Deep Purple · 11-01-2007, 10:17 AM

Encouraging news.

Let's hope this is the first of many bigger names- no disrespect to those who have already jumped and (in doing so) have set a fine example.

eublues · 11-01-2007, 10:32 AM

Very cheering set of comments follow the Congden article on the Telegraph site.

Here is an example:

Your assessment of the situation is quite correct, Tim, but you have failed to take into account a very important factor in today's Political landscape.
That is , that a surprisingly-large section of the voters actually AGREE with Cameron's soft Left views.
I share your sense of incredulity at his appointment as Conservative leader, but 10 Yrs of NuLab have created a population of whom approximately 30% are either dependent on State Employment, or rely on Benefits.Many of the latter section would willingly work, but the influx of cheap Labour from E.Europe etc. has virtually killed off any incentive for them ; the wages are either too low to make it worth coming off Benefit, or the jobs are being taken by the newcomers.
Naturally, this group will therefore vote for those who it perceives will keep the Status Quo, and 'Dave'has ensured his Party look as likely to do that as the other 2 major parties.
I agree with you that UKIP is the best option to the NuLabLiberTory Party, but sadly, unless UK voters drop their traditional sheep-like loyalties, this is likely to result in a return to power for Gordon Brown.
Nevertheless, one should NOT vote for the lesser of 2 evils, but for a party one actually believes in - that is the crux of the whole matter in today's UK Political scene.

kernow · 11-01-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

These are the kind of quality people we need in the party. It's thanks to this guys kind of economic policies, that the Tories actually handed over a healthy economy to Labour, which they are ruining big time now.

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Spot on! This is a quality guy, who will make all anti EU Tories wonder if they're in the right party. I think the next few weeks will be a very exciting time for UKIP. In my eyes all that street pounding I and many others have done, doesn't seem such a waste of time after all!

kernow · 11-01-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by eublues

unless UK voters drop their traditional sheep-like loyalties, this is likely to result in a return to power for Gordon Brown.
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I admit this attitude is a problem for any of the smaller parties, but I'm hoping that the publicity UKIP will hopefully get from these high profile people joining the party, just might open "Joe Public's" eyes!
Better still if Nigel can get himself invited on to "Big Brother" :shock: we will have cracked it!

mkpdavies · 11-01-2007, 10:56 AM

Brown-Campell-Cameron.

If any one of them is PM, it's all the same as far as I am concerned.

I'm not frightened of getting one over the other, they are all as bad.

Anthony Butcher · 11-01-2007, 11:18 AM

This is a good, solid defection, but again this is someone joining UKIP to pressurise the Tories, not someone joining because they support UKIP. Is UKIP just a Thatcherite pressure group to these people?

As for his statement about five years of sensible financial policies from UKIP, he clearly has no idea what UKIP was proposing in the last general election. Most people here will recall the embarrassment for serious PPCs trying to explain how UKIP was spending £12 billion of money saved by leaving the EU... when the actual number was closer to £3 billion etc.

The recent tax paper put together by John Whittaker was apparently far more competent. I am not sure that I agree with it or have any way of judging its merits as a policy, but at least it looks competent.

mkpdavies · 11-01-2007, 11:30 AM

I think UKIP is plan B to a lot of people. They may still hope that the Tories will come around, but in their hearts, they know it isn't going to happen.

kernow · 11-01-2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I think UKIP is plan B to a lot of people. They may still hope that the Tories will come around, but in their hearts, they know it isn't going to happen.

I understand them! just imagine if you'd been a lifelong Tory supporter and activist and suddenly the party you'd always supported went "Pear shaped", distancing itself from everything it had ever stood for, distancing itself from the very things you'd joined the party for in the first place ( a bit like UKIP going pro EU) :shock: Of course at first you'd hang on in there hoping they just made a silly mistake, but eventually it would dawn on you that "Your" party no-longer stood for what you believed in, then you'd make your change! UKIP just has to be patient!

eublues · 11-01-2007, 02:55 PM

Highly unlikely, but if the Tories went to the next election promising a referendum on continued membership of the EU what would UKIP do?

kernow · 11-01-2007, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eublues

Highly unlikely, but if the Tories went to the next election promising a referendum on continued membership of the EU what would UKIP do?

This Ukip member still wouldn't vote for the Tories. I'll never trust them ever again, as I've said many times if UKIP go "tits up", then that is the end of politics for me including voting!

11-01-2007, 10:56 AM	#15 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	Brown-Campell-Cameron. If any one of them is PM, it's all the same as far as I am concerned. I'm not frightened of getting one over the other, they are all as bad. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

11-01-2007, 11:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	I think UKIP is plan B to a lot of people. They may still hope that the Tories will come around, but in their hearts, they know it isn't going to happen. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

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11-01-2007, 10:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
Deep Purple Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 130	Encouraging news. Let's hope this is the first of many bigger names- no disrespect to those who have already jumped and (in doing so) have set a fine example.

11-01-2007, 10:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	Very cheering set of comments follow the Congden article on the Telegraph site. Here is an example: Your assessment of the situation is quite correct, Tim, but you have failed to take into account a very important factor in today's Political landscape. That is , that a surprisingly-large section of the voters actually AGREE with Cameron's soft Left views. I share your sense of incredulity at his appointment as Conservative leader, but 10 Yrs of NuLab have created a population of whom approximately 30% are either dependent on State Employment, or rely on Benefits.Many of the latter section would willingly work, but the influx of cheap Labour from E.Europe etc. has virtually killed off any incentive for them ; the wages are either too low to make it worth coming off Benefit, or the jobs are being taken by the newcomers. Naturally, this group will therefore vote for those who it perceives will keep the Status Quo, and 'Dave'has ensured his Party look as likely to do that as the other 2 major parties. I agree with you that UKIP is the best option to the NuLabLiberTory Party, but sadly, unless UK voters drop their traditional sheep-like loyalties, this is likely to result in a return to power for Gordon Brown. Nevertheless, one should NOT vote for the lesser of 2 evils, but for a party one actually believes in - that is the crux of the whole matter in today's UK Political scene.

11-01-2007, 11:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,315 Party: None	This is a good, solid defection, but again this is someone joining UKIP to pressurise the Tories, not someone joining because they support UKIP. Is UKIP just a Thatcherite pressure group to these people? As for his statement about five years of sensible financial policies from UKIP, he clearly has no idea what UKIP was proposing in the last general election. Most people here will recall the embarrassment for serious PPCs trying to explain how UKIP was spending £12 billion of money saved by leaving the EU... when the actual number was closer to £3 billion etc. The recent tax paper put together by John Whittaker was apparently far more competent. I am not sure that I agree with it or have any way of judging its merits as a policy, but at least it looks competent.

11-01-2007, 02:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	Highly unlikely, but if the Tories went to the next election promising a referendum on continued membership of the EU what would UKIP do?