2 members of House of Lords join UKIP

kernow · 09-01-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Christina

Very good news.

Would be great if Tebbit was next.

Unfortunately I don't think it will happen, but like you I think it would be great news if he did!

tamashi · 09-01-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by harryaldridge

I know Nigel was controversial with his firm stance on not contesting seats of sitting BOO MPs but now we can all see why he was so forceful on this. Well done Nigel.

Here Here,

If the promise on the BOO Candidates was part of the reason these two Peers have formally joined UKIP then I'd say it is a price well worth paying. It must have been very galling for Nigel to have to listen to the criticism without being able to properly respond while knowing this coup was in the background. Maybe now idiots like the Plymouth Chairman and all those people harping and criticising Nigel will finally stop and get behind him. (And maybe pigs will fly)

Well done Nigel!

kernow · 09-01-2007, 03:46 PM

[quote="tamashi"]

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Originally Posted by harryaldridge

Maybe now idiots like the Plymouth Chairman and all those people harping and criticising Nigel will finally stop and get behind him.

Well done Nigel!

Hear! Hear!

Christina · 09-01-2007, 03:55 PM

Hear! Hear! Squared.

harryaldridge · 09-01-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tamashi

If the promise on the BOO Candidates was part of the reason these two Peers have formally joined UKIP then I'd say it is a price well worth paying. It must have been very galling for Nigel to have to listen to the criticism without being able to properly respond while knowing this coup was in the background. Maybe now idiots like the Plymouth Chairman and all those people harping and criticising Nigel will finally stop and get behind him.

Well done Nigel!

I did read that not contesting BOO MPs was a condition of the Lords move. I also hope we can just get on with building on this base and ignore the ego-trips by a few members.

I must say that it is quite exciting having something good to talk about isn't it ?

Roger Gough · 09-01-2007, 04:32 PM

The Plymouth chairman and his members are not idiots. Just because 2 Lords have defected does not mean that UKIP is electable - it certainly doesn't mean that they have the effective workings of a political party in place. It just means that 2 Lords are disillusioned with the Tories and want to make a statement. Once they get an internal view of the shambles that UKIP is, they will decamp as soon as they came. Think: this is the only bit of 'good' news to have been reported in the UKIp cause in ages. Can anyone tell me why I should be encouraged to think UKIP is in any way going forward? I WANT TO BE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT UKIP. It ain't there at the moment - when it is EVERYBODY will want to come.

Anthony Butcher · 09-01-2007, 04:32 PM

While this is clearly very good news for UKIP, I wouldn't get too excited just yet:

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"I hope there are a number of party donors who will see that the only way they can help to persuade the present Conservative leadership to make sense is in fact to give money to UKIP," he said.

That is not the statement of a man committed to a new party. That is someone who has joined a Tory pressure group and will leave as soon as the Tories are saying something close to what he wants.

mkpdavies · 09-01-2007, 04:34 PM

They are not idiots for leaving. I can understand why people might leave UKIP.

The huge impression they have of themselves and the attemp to make it look worse than it is, makes them pretty close to being idiots though I am afraid.

They look stupid now the branch is still there and only 12 people left.

UKIP MAN · 09-01-2007, 04:42 PM

Does this mean that I can start filling in my pages now on MY website...

Yes I have a page ready for the house of commons

http://www.ukipman.co.uk/html/house_of_lords.html

Roger Gough · 09-01-2007, 04:44 PM

I certainly hope that the Plymouth members are not so shallow that they will return to the fold simply because 2 'personalities' have joined. When UKIP has joined up policies and are able to put them across to the man in the street, then Plymouth and others will gladly come back. I haven't read the posts on Nigel's performance on Any Questions but it was the performance of a man who hadn't been briefed correctly on the question of immigration. What a waste.

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09-01-2007, 03:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	Hear! Hear! Squared.

09-01-2007, 04:32 PM	#26 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 711	The Plymouth chairman and his members are not idiots. Just because 2 Lords have defected does not mean that UKIP is electable - it certainly doesn't mean that they have the effective workings of a political party in place. It just means that 2 Lords are disillusioned with the Tories and want to make a statement. Once they get an internal view of the shambles that UKIP is, they will decamp as soon as they came. Think: this is the only bit of 'good' news to have been reported in the UKIp cause in ages. Can anyone tell me why I should be encouraged to think UKIP is in any way going forward? I WANT TO BE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT UKIP. It ain't there at the moment - when it is EVERYBODY will want to come.

09-01-2007, 04:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
UKIP MAN Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,898	Does this mean that I can start filling in my pages now on MY website... Yes I have a page ready for the house of commons http://www.ukipman.co.uk/html/house_of_lords.html

09-01-2007, 04:44 PM	#30 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 711	I certainly hope that the Plymouth members are not so shallow that they will return to the fold simply because 2 'personalities' have joined. When UKIP has joined up policies and are able to put them across to the man in the street, then Plymouth and others will gladly come back. I haven't read the posts on Nigel's performance on Any Questions but it was the performance of a man who hadn't been briefed correctly on the question of immigration. What a waste.