Nigel offered safe tory seat

Independence Now! · 07-12-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

I find it all strange. farage rants on about 'the cause', then decides that crossing the floor is against his principles. I would have thought that being in parliament as an MP he would be more likely to make progress for the cause and influence other parties - including the tories - from within.

The only way the Tories will ever be influenced by others into doing the right thing is if their party is on the point of oblivion. It is only when they are losing large numbers of votes to UKIP, the BNP, abstention ect that they will seriously consider changing their policies and even then, because they are fully paid-up members of the Political Establishment I doubt whether they would.

Colin McNamee · 07-12-2006, 04:23 PM

If (once) state funding becomes available to the main three parties there will be even less reason for them to be influenced by their members.

If state funding also acts as a discouragement/disincentive to voters as well then less members + reducing numbers of voter participation = bad news for democracy in the UK. Then the LibLabCon really can carve it all up.

Karen · 07-12-2006, 04:39 PM

Let's be cheerful: it is a rare good bit of publicity for us: whatever really went on. I am against altering logos and names though. Those that fret over such details are usually in decline. Succesful brands do not bother to change their image: eg Ford, Boots Mac Donalds. the purple and yellow and UKIP name are - at last - familiar on the doorstep, and it has taken years of struggle to get that way. Let's not throw it away. We need it to be the familiar symbol on the ballot papers next May

Bellatrix · 07-12-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Karen

Let's be cheerful: it is a rare good bit of publicity for us:

Do you not read the papers then, Quentin? Or watch the news?

Or maybe you just said that because you used to work in the press office and have a chip on your shoulder?

devilskitchen · 07-12-2006, 08:17 PM

The pound logo has to go -- every single commenter at The Kitchen has said this.

Reactions to the name vary (the majority think, though, that it could be changed).

Perhaps we should hold a competition for suggestions for a new logo? I have been racking my brains recently and I can't think of an appropriately strong symbol without bad connotations...

mkpdavies · 07-12-2006, 08:36 PM

The Torch has become vacant, but then the NF use that and it's a secret symbol of the illuminati.

Maybe Big ben, or the houses of parliament in a simple form, to signify self determination and democracy.

C_steam · 07-12-2006, 08:39 PM

I still like spon's burning Heath picture...............

Populist Lee · 07-12-2006, 08:53 PM

How about a bluebottle sucked dry by a Venus Fly Trap?

Andrew Constantine · 07-12-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by devilskitchen

The pound logo has to go -- every single commenter at The Kitchen has said this.

Reactions to the name vary (the majority think, though, that it could be changed).

Perhaps we should hold a competition for suggestions for a new logo? I have been racking my brains recently and I can't think of an appropriately strong symbol without bad connotations...

How about the English flag....

mkpdavies · 07-12-2006, 09:05 PM

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How about the English flag....

You'd have to be a bunch of ***** to hijack a national flag as your own symbol. I can't think of any party that would be so arrogant to do that.

In anycase, UKIP want to represent the whole of the UK, until the EU get;s its way and divides us up. If they succeed in that goal, UKIP will have to for seprate units, for each of the new broken parts.

07-12-2006, 04:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
Karen Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maldon Posts: 302	Let's be cheerful: it is a rare good bit of publicity for us: whatever really went on. I am against altering logos and names though. Those that fret over such details are usually in decline. Succesful brands do not bother to change their image: eg Ford, Boots Mac Donalds. the purple and yellow and UKIP name are - at last - familiar on the doorstep, and it has taken years of struggle to get that way. Let's not throw it away. We need it to be the familiar symbol on the ballot papers next May __________________ Lady Di, Hitler and Communism are dead. Forward to Independence!

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devilskitchen Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 419	The pound logo has to go -- every single commenter at The Kitchen has said this. Reactions to the name vary (the majority think, though, that it could be changed). Perhaps we should hold a competition for suggestions for a new logo? I have been racking my brains recently and I can't think of an appropriately strong symbol without bad connotations... __________________ Unio Europaea delenda est

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,053 Party: Libertarian Party	The Torch has become vacant, but then the NF use that and it's a secret symbol of the illuminati. Maybe Big ben, or the houses of parliament in a simple form, to signify self determination and democracy. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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07-12-2006, 04:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
Colin McNamee Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 894	If (once) state funding becomes available to the main three parties there will be even less reason for them to be influenced by their members. If state funding also acts as a discouragement/disincentive to voters as well then less members + reducing numbers of voter participation = bad news for democracy in the UK. Then the LibLabCon really can carve it all up.

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C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,788	I still like spon's burning Heath picture...............

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Populist Lee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,242 Party: Other	How about a bluebottle sucked dry by a Venus Fly Trap?