An Impassioned Plea for UKIP Support

jp · 16-11-2006, 10:30 AM

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And what are we met with from our media and politicians? Lies, prevarications, bluster, evasion and yet more lies. I'm sick of it; I'm sick of yelling into space and seeing our politicians cover their ears and eyes and ignore not only my screams—our screams—of rage and frustration, but also those of the unfortunates who die because of the EU, who die in part because of our membership of an organisation which makes its money out of making them poorer.

Fine, vote for that if you want to. For me, no more. For me, I'm going to vote with my conscience and my head. I am going to vote against our membership of this cartel. I am going to do my part to make UKIP work and even if it is still a ramshackle piece of cr*p when the elections come then I will still vote for it because, for the first time in my life, I will be voting for something that I believe in.

And if you are happy to leave our organised officials to lie to and cheat further generations, to continue to feather their own nests, to continue to shove their noses in the trough then all you have to do is vote for them. If that is what your conscience tells you to do, then that's great. But, just do me a favour, you anti-EU people, when you put that cross in the box for the Tory or the LibDem or the NuLabour candidate; do me a favour and say to yourself as you do it, "I am a hypocrite and no better than those I rail against." Have the decency to admit it, if only to yourself. And at that point we may as well just abolish our democracy.

Yes, UKIP is small and insignificant at present; no, it doesn't get many votes but it will never get those votes unless YOU go out and actually vote for them. Yes, that's YOU! Otherwise, who else do you think is going to? Are you going to wait a hundred years for them to be a safe establishment party and then you'll feel safe voting for them because they've been around for a while?

http://devilskitchen.blogspot.com/20...-and-ukip.html

A small extract (I've removed some language so it won't offend the moderation policy!) from a piece which comments on Iain Dale's thoughts on his interview with Nigel.

Richard Allen · 16-11-2006, 11:58 AM

Simple and to the point. UKIP might have a huge number of flaws but what other choice to we have.

michael mcgough · 16-11-2006, 02:42 PM

Still the only show in town.

kernow · 16-11-2006, 04:31 PM

Absolutely!

komerad · 16-11-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

Still the only show in town.

Unfortunately :cry:

kernow · 16-11-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by komerad

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

Still the only show in town.

Unfortunately :cry:

Oh Ye of little faith!

ALEX · 16-11-2006, 05:22 PM

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Re: UKIP the future
« Reply #37 on: Today at 02:55:48 AM »

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Quote from: Leicester on Yesterday at 11:18:57 PM
With the income from the euro elections and the big donners why have they continued to do so poor at local elections and the general election where there results were embarrasing. Agree you may do well again at the euros but you will not do better than last time, thats if your stilla round in 2009 as i hear there is so much unrest in the party (thats if the rumours are true)

Why have UKIP done poorly at First Past The Post elections but done well under PR? Might I suggest that it's not JUST to do with the fact that euro-elections are single-issue elections? Also:

1. The electoral system
2. UKIP puts 90% of its money into the European elections
3. The media gives us a lot more coverage at European election time than at any other time.

I hear more rumours of unrest in UKIP now than before. However, most of the troublemakers have left. Remember that UKIP membership was about 7,000 at the corresponding point in the elections cycle 5 years ago.

And finally, I'm not "talking up" UKIP. Actually, I think Darren's about right. I think that UKIP will do somewhere between 1999 (3 MEPs) and 2004 (12 MEPs) next time. I would expect us to keep something in the region of 6-9 seats in 2009 as things stand at the moment. UKIP are certainly more organised and better funded now than in 1999, and are established and known to be capable of winning seats at European elections.

THE ABOVE QUOTE TAKEN FROM VOTE 2006 DISCUSSION FORUM!
As a lapsed member but strong supporter of UKIP it drives me insane when I see members writing on public websites that we will win only half the Euro seats we won in 2004. This is foolish behaviour.

mkpdavies · 16-11-2006, 05:27 PM

I am growing in optimism of late.

1) A definite broad based approach is now forming.
2) Press coverage is much better.
3) More and more stories of rising membership numbers.
4) More and mroe people saying the old parties are the same.

I think UKIP are THE anti-EU party, thus will do better in the Euros.

It's the other elections that I am interested and more concerned about. Locals next year will be key and the amount of people UKIP get to run.

jp · 16-11-2006, 06:08 PM

Another angle on this from a comment under the article at the top of the thread:

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I am a socialist. Small "s", perhaps, but I believe in a free NHS, I believe that National Transport and the utilities should be state-controlled. I want the Post Offices/Royal Mail re-established as the monopoly providers of hard communications and deliveries. I do NOT want PFI in education. I want education to be free. You may not. Many ex-tory members of UKIP may not. But. Big But. It is pointless discussing such clashes of belief because we can't do ANYthing until we are out of the EU. Nothing matters more than that. Stalin and Churchill were hardly on the same wavelength but had to unite against a common evil. So must socialist and tories against membership of the EU. Only once we are out of the EU can our representatives at Westminster argue and debate nationalisation/privatisation, hanging/not hanging, subsidise/free market, etc.
So let's forget former ideologies, join or at least support UKIP, kick backside and get the UK out of the EU.

So UKIP can say "even if our domestic policies don't attract you, lend us your vote as we are the only party with any hope of taking the UK out of the EU"

devilskitchen · 16-11-2006, 07:15 PM

Well, quite.

UKIP needs to become a lot more professional in its dealings -- both within and without the party itself. I have been helping out with some research suff and advice on the blog aspect (as has at least one other very high-profile blogger). However, it is happening.

It irritates me when I see people attacking the party on the grounds that it simply reinforces the general opinion that UKIP is full of squabbling loons. That, in itself, damages the main impact that the party can have and that, in turn, sets the cause of EUscepticism back each time.

It is that which we should concentrate on, not petty factional arguments.

What one commenter at The Kitchen has called my "Chinese water torture" method of plugging UKIP has already recruited at least 3 people to the party (that I know of) and I have had a huge number of emails (though why they should email me is something of a mystery), since writing the piece referred to above, from people offering their time and skills to UKIP.

16-11-2006, 05:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,053 Party: Libertarian Party	I am growing in optimism of late. 1) A definite broad based approach is now forming. 2) Press coverage is much better. 3) More and more stories of rising membership numbers. 4) More and mroe people saying the old parties are the same. I think UKIP are THE anti-EU party, thus will do better in the Euros. It's the other elections that I am interested and more concerned about. Locals next year will be key and the amount of people UKIP get to run. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

16-11-2006, 07:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
devilskitchen Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 419	Well, quite. UKIP needs to become a lot more professional in its dealings -- both within and without the party itself. I have been helping out with some research suff and advice on the blog aspect (as has at least one other very high-profile blogger). However, it is happening. It irritates me when I see people attacking the party on the grounds that it simply reinforces the general opinion that UKIP is full of squabbling loons. That, in itself, damages the main impact that the party can have and that, in turn, sets the cause of EUscepticism back each time. It is that which we should concentrate on, not petty factional arguments. What one commenter at The Kitchen has called my "Chinese water torture" method of plugging UKIP has already recruited at least 3 people to the party (that I know of) and I have had a huge number of emails (though why they should email me is something of a mystery), since writing the piece referred to above, from people offering their time and skills to UKIP. __________________ Unio Europaea delenda est

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16-11-2006, 11:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Richard Allen Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 571	Simple and to the point. UKIP might have a huge number of flaws but what other choice to we have.

16-11-2006, 02:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
michael mcgough Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 944	Still the only show in town.

16-11-2006, 04:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	Absolutely!

16-11-2006, 05:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
ALEX Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7	jonarny Member Posts: 343 Re: UKIP the future « Reply #37 on: Today at 02:55:48 AM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: Leicester on Yesterday at 11:18:57 PM With the income from the euro elections and the big donners why have they continued to do so poor at local elections and the general election where there results were embarrasing. Agree you may do well again at the euros but you will not do better than last time, thats if your stilla round in 2009 as i hear there is so much unrest in the party (thats if the rumours are true) Why have UKIP done poorly at First Past The Post elections but done well under PR? Might I suggest that it's not JUST to do with the fact that euro-elections are single-issue elections? Also: 1. The electoral system 2. UKIP puts 90% of its money into the European elections 3. The media gives us a lot more coverage at European election time than at any other time. I hear more rumours of unrest in UKIP now than before. However, most of the troublemakers have left. Remember that UKIP membership was about 7,000 at the corresponding point in the elections cycle 5 years ago. And finally, I'm not "talking up" UKIP. Actually, I think Darren's about right. I think that UKIP will do somewhere between 1999 (3 MEPs) and 2004 (12 MEPs) next time. I would expect us to keep something in the region of 6-9 seats in 2009 as things stand at the moment. UKIP are certainly more organised and better funded now than in 1999, and are established and known to be capable of winning seats at European elections. THE ABOVE QUOTE TAKEN FROM VOTE 2006 DISCUSSION FORUM! As a lapsed member but strong supporter of UKIP it drives me insane when I see members writing on public websites that we will win only half the Euro seats we won in 2004. This is foolish behaviour.