Independent UKIP

Welcome to the forum devilskitchen. A bit of a sudden entry, very welcome in my opinion.

Finally, a semi-appropriate opprtunity to state that she is quite lush in my opinion. She has a notable nose but that is not the most important thing in life and I like her nevertheless. She seemed happy enough with the answers provided by Farage so I hope she'll defect to us some time soon. I am sure she is a highly intelligent woman. Perhaps the moderators should delete this???

mkpdavies

Perhaps they shouldn't.

Anyone still support the Tories is an idiot by default for me now.

Unless they are there to finish them off, then they are granted a pass.

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Cheers. Obviously, I found it through the referrals coming from here to The Kitchen and so have popped in a couple of times.

She is, unfortunately, a Leftie. I had a go at her here (usual bad language alert) which is why Iain keeps turning to her and referring to me as "your friend, Devil's Kitchen" in the Farage interview. Having said that, she has been more sensible of late, so maybe there's hope for her yet.

Incidentally, Iain has -- informally -- invited me onto 18DS when I move to London next month, so I may well get a chance to advance the EUnihilist cause using fewer swearwords...

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I’ve picked the following from the many postings left on Mr. Dale’s blog by readers of Mr. Dale’s above posting to his own blog (and from people who watched his interview of Nigel Farage MEP over the internet) (most of the postings below have been shortened by me):

Seb the Dog said... (at 1.40 am on 14.11.2006) “You (Ian Dale) had him bang to rights regarding the £170,000 - Farage became quite flustered - this is a link to an article in The Times last year:-http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1773291,00.html UKIP said they would be collecting 2 million signatures but the campaign fizzled out and was quitely dropped by UKIP - hoping nobody would make a fuss. A waste of £170,000. It is interesting you mentioned the Ashford Call centre - this should have been disbanded after the 2004 euro elections once it served its purpose - instead it has become a drain sucking up 85% of every £1 donated in 'expenses' by unsuspecting members of the public. Farage failed to answer the question about the Ashford call centre.”

Benedict White said... (at 2.31 am on 14.11.2006) “Well Shirley, if that happens I am the queen of Sheba.I think UKIP is likely to beocme a busted flush. We will however see what happens.”

Anonymous said... (at 8.23 am on 14.11.2006) “The first u-turn of UKIP leader Nigel Farage - they won't stand against Better Off Out (BOO) supporters and now they will! I believe the statement he would not stand against those candidates who had signed up to the BOO was nothing more than mealy mouthed platitudes uttered during the recent leadership elections to gain the support and votes of ex-tory UKIP members.He says one thing to cling to the greasy pole of power but then shafts those members that backed him. UKIP are just like any other bunch of politicians!”

Gracchi said... (at 918 am on 14.11.2006) “He sounds like someone who can get them organised but like you I thought his predictions were outlandish especailly as the Tories recover he and his party are going to be natural casualties.”

Simon Richards said... (at 9.57 am on 14.11.2006) “Iain, I appreciate that, having proclaimed, that nobody should discuss the EU, you are a little out of touch with EU-related matters, but your spin on this non-story really takes the biscuit. There is absolutely no change in Nigel Farage's stated policy. There never was any question of UKIP standing down against BETTER OFF OUT Conservative candidates at the General Election - other than sitting BETTER OFF OUT Conservative MPs. Nigel and UKIP have been entirely consistent on this. The headline you have used for this "story" is unworthy of you.”

Anonymous said... (at 10.37 am on 14.11.2006) “I expect Labour to keep them (UKIP) afloat.”

David Kendrick said... (at 10.37 am on 14.11.2006) “UKIP---a great USP, but unfortunately, the party is a shambles. I'm a member, and will continue to be a member, because I think they are right on the one great issue dividing the country. UKIP should stand in no more than 10 constituencies thoughout the UK, and really work hard to see if one MP is achieveable. UKIP shouldn't 'knock' any of the other parties; they all contain euro-sceptics. We should make them feel that it is sensible to 'lend' us their votes from time-to-time.”

Cllr. Keith Standring said... (at 11.15 am on 14.11.2006) "In pledging not to oppose Better Off Out (BOO)-committed MPs, UKIP has been very constructive and the whole anti-EU campaign has taken a big step forward. The unambiguous clarity BOO has brought allowed that to happen. Before the ten MPs committed their support to BOO, there was no way for anyone to be clear about sitting MPs' views of the EU. Whilst I am a member of the Conservative Party, I can see entirely why UKIP are not willing to extend their offer to MPs who profess to be "eurosceptic" but are not willing to commit to BOO. As Nigel Farage has said, "The BOO campaign has redefined euroscepticism in Britain. Anybody not signed up to BOO should not call themselves eurosceptics". As UKIP's aim is to get the UK out of the EU, it is hard to see how they could justify dropping opposition to MPs who simply want to renegotiate and stay inside. What is the difference between saying that and William Hague's impractical "In europe not run by europe"?

Tam Large said... (at 11.21 am on 14.11.2006) “Nigel (Farage) is right. Candidates do have a tendency to say things to get support, and then rat on their promises - such as one David Cameron, with his short-lived EPP promise in the Leadership.... Only sitting candidates have a track record which can be checked and confirmed.”

Trixy said... (at 12.33 pm on 14.11.2006) “Nigel Farage has only ever stated that he does not want UKIP candidates to stand against SITTING MPs who have signed Better Off Out. Applying the question to PPCs is an invention of Mr Dale's mind.”

Jens Winton said... (at 4.22 pm on 14.11.2006) “I think Nigel gave a good show, and thanks are in order to 18 Doughty Street as well as Iain Dale for having him on. Nigel hasn't passed his first 100 days as leader yet but has had an impact on this country's political agenda that is out of proportion to our size. It's way too early to be calling us a busted flush, call us that only if we wind up the party. The challenge people like me have to is to take the broad UKIP message and make it relevant to people on the ground from different walks of life: Its the unconverted we need to bring on board, and I suggest they are not as politically engaged as many of the posters here...”

Devil’s Kitchen said... (at 4.29 pm on 14.11.2006) "On the matter of the £170k, is Iain also suggesting that the UKIPers should also not accept their MEP salaries either? That's taxpayers' money too. And, personally, as a taxpayer, I would rather that my money go to anti-EU propaganda than pro-EU lies as would, I am sure, others who voted for the UKIP MEPs.As for the candidates -- well, as I pointed out at my place -- Iain is a free-trader and thus presumably thinks that the EU is a bad thing and yet he is willing to stand as a candidate for a Party whose Chairman explicitly stated that Tory policy was to remain in the EU.Once a fervent EUsceptic, sitting MP William Hague has now changed his spots in order to gain a Shadow Ministry position under a Tory leader who declared that there was no place on his front bench for Eurosceptics.I think that the phrase we are looking for here -- in terms of Nigel's assertion that, essentially, one can trust the word of neither politicians nor potential ones -- is quod erat demonstrandum...”

The Jabberwock said... (at 5.28 pm on 17.11.2006) “Alternatively, their targeting of eurosceptic Conservatives lends credence to the accusation that UKIP has been been infiltrated by Britain's intelligence agencies in order to split the eurosceptic vote and ensure that the Conservative Party is kept out of office until full European integration had been achieved and the EU's takeover of Britain is total and irreversible. Whether by accident or design, it seems to be working pretty well from what I can see.”

Simon Richards said... (at 5.29 pm on 14.11.2006) “As I'm not a member of the UK Independence Party, I can't comment on their election strategy, but I do know that the Better Off Out (BOO) Tory (Conservative) MPs appreciate their decision not to oppose them. Naturally, if other anti-EU Tory MPs sign up for BETTER OFF OUT, they too may benefit from Nigel Farage's policy on this.”

Devil's Kitchen said...(at 5.38 pm on 14.11.2006) “The Tories are not Eurosceptic thus a vote for them is not a vote against the EU. There's no split vote here.As Iain said last night, the Tories are the "most Eurosceptic of the three main parties" but that's like saying that having your head chopped off with an axe is not as bad as having your head chopped off with a sword. Tory policy is to remain in the EU; given that it is the Commission that initiates law, that gives them precisely as much power to wield as Labour have (and NuLabour's attitude is precisely the same as the Tories'). A vote for the Tories is a vote for the EU. It's as simple as that.”

Anonymous said..(at .6.38 pm on 14.11.2006) “The Tories (Conservatives) are still trying to have it both ways. I would hazard that at least half this country's problems are down to the EU and by extension those who either ardently support it or acquiesce in its insidious effects. More generally I have absolutely no faith in David Cameron and his acolytes. I am sure many Tory supporters and even Tory MPs feel the same way about the EU and perhaps also regret the Cameroon leadership. That however is insufficent reason to vote Conservative and inadequate reason not to vote UKIP.”

devilskitchen

Your humble Devil will be making his debut on 18DoughtyStreet, from 9 till 12, on Monday. Anyone got anything amusing that they'd like me to raise?

Needless to say, I am quite unreasonably excited!

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mkpdavies

Excellent.

I'm sure you will put THEM on the spot about their position on the EU and how it destroys out global trading capability, as well as our own internal business.

Ask why we pay billions of pounds simply to be told what to do.

Wear a gimp mask with Tory EU Policy written on it.

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devilskitchen

I have, rather vainly, sent the following to a couple of UKIP branches (which basically sums up all that I know!)...

I have no idea what we might be discussing, but I suspect that, amongst other things, I may be brought to book over some of my less than kind assessments of some of the presenters...!

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jp

I think UKIP's position on funding for political parties needs a wider audience.

On this general theme I am not sure that the public realise how much money is already provided, particularly for the Opposition

mkpdavies

Chads got a petition going on that government webside. Had about 8 sigs last time I looked.

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