leecamowol

I have to admit I don't post too often on here but I do read many, many times a day and I'm struck by the amount of bitching, in-fighting, and disrespect that seems go between members of the same party.

Now during my time as a Conservative member I never discovered a forum-style website like this so I do not know if this behaviour and practice exists in members of all political parties but, I know I can stop reading (and often I do during long ranting personal attack comments!), I'm feeling very uneasy with the whole situation.

Is this forum a representation of the party as a whole? Are we really not "united" amongst ourselves. If so how the hell can Nigel have the chance to prove he can take this party forward if the members of the party are at loggerheads!?

I'm only 24 so I'm not ready to become a grumpy, old, moaning man. I'm interested in politics and UKIP because I want to better this great country of ours ... I have ambitions to try a make a difference ... is politics no longer about this - is it really just a place for personal attacks and disrespectful behaviour. The youth of today get condemned as disrespectful well from what I've seen on here recently they're just following the old generation.

“And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.”

mkpdavies

If you become too united you become sheep.

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Colin McNamee

No, not representative but may help in gaining a sense of perspection as well as other views. As you do, you don't have to post.

Bear in mind the comments, feelings running high from recent election and some activities and comments during the election (and subsequently) were dispicable.

Mainly(some not happy) activists posting here and some not well intentioned.

Some excellent comments and takes also.

ryansoton

You ask if this site is reflective of the party membership but the site is not affliated to the party and not all posters are UKIP members.

kernow

I would also add, this forum is not a true representation of the party, most of the senior posters on this forum voted for Richard Suchorzewski to win the leadership election, but they and I were wrong as an overwhelming majority of the party (thankfully) voted for Nigel Farage, I say thankfully because Richard Suchorzewski threw his toys out of the pram when he lost the election and wrote a very damaging (for the party) resignation letter on this public forum! Fortunately we now have a very positive leader who I have every confidence will lead the party onwards to having Westminster MPs at the next General election providing "Joe Public " doesn't take too much notice of what we sad people on this forum say to each other! :wink:

B.A.Ware

Lee like you many have come before you, put a few elections hard campaigning behind you ask for support and get none, ask what your MEPs are doing and get told its nothing to do with you.

Go on the streets go in the Pub's and answer the questions on our policies that are non-existent.

Ask Roger as it was at the time what policies we are going to fight on and be told not to worry about policies just get the EU message out.

Ask Roger what we are going to do about the activists that are leaving only to be told they will always leave we will replace them.

Eventually you will realise that it doesn't matter what you do you will never improve on your core vote and then you will understand why the party has to be much more than it is now

Independent UKIP

An overwhelming minority of voters voted for Nigel but the majority of voters combined with the non-voters means that the overwhelming majority of members did not vote for Nigel at all. I have said before and say again that I am quite content to fully support his leadership of the party at least until the leadership response to next years local elections; but I can't let that inaccurate statement go wholly unchallenged.

Independent UKIP

No, we here are not representative of the party hence Nigel was elected leader. I do (as a party member) support his leadership of the party and will do for quite some months to come.

However, UKIP was created in 1993 and Nigel Farage was a founder member and has been central at practically every event/situation that has occurred within the party over all those years. Whether for good or bad Farage and/or Faragistas have always been present at the forefront of the direction of UKIP.

Anthony Butcher

Richard did no such thing. Richard only ever hoped to win the election, but he never expected to. Nigel was always the odds on favourite. Richard left largely for the same reasons as myself and Gill - that he could not retain his integrity and be part of anything led by that man and the people he surrounds himself with.

Richard's letter barely scratched the surface. He was abused while he was in the party and now he has left people are still smearing his name for leaving! Are you saying that you would rather not know why he left; that he should just have disappeared? I am not sure that the ostrich mentality is healthy in the long run.

Richard told the truth in his letter. If you wish to ignore the realities of the party you represent, so be it. Perhaps rather than attacking the messenger you could study what he has said, and what has driven a competent, professional, ambitious man out of the party. If he had kept quiet he would almost certainly have been on the MEP list for next time around, he could have taken a senior position in the party and so on. Instead he felt so disgusted by the leadership that he left.

You are so far off the mark attacking him it confuses me. What is damaging is the actions of the party officials and leader. Richard telling people about them is neither here nor there, unless you think that it is reasonable for a man to be publicly slandered and then keep quiet about it.

By your same reasoning, I should keep quiet about John Moran's smear campaign against me because it is damaging to the party.

Kernow, you are a decent chap, but I think that you are becoming blinkered with party loyalty here. Be loyal to the cause, not the people who betray everything good about it. They have let all of us down.

HarryUKIP

According to the party we have 16,000 Members and Nigel was elected by 3,329 of them. That is only 20%. So Nigel needs to reach out to the 80% who did not back him if he wants the party to succeed. Instead there are signs that Nigel has chosen to only back his supporters and we have a wave of resignations.......