C_steam

perhaps in your map of the world Douglas.

Soddball

Please stop it. You're making my head hurt and making me wonder why on earth I bothered joining UKIP.

douglas denny

I'll have no truck with traitors to the cause - I don't care who they are.

My country comes before any traitor; and UKIP is the ONLY body whch will get Britain out of the EU. Anyone deliberately damaging UKIP for their own petty ego is utterly contemptible in my book and in my map of the worrld. Petrina falls into that category in my opinon - most unfortunate for a past chairman of the party - but then YOU ask her why she should go so spectaculary off the rails ....

It seems to happen to those who are "demoted" from the party for various reasons (we all know who they are !) - they become severe critics who childishly appear to want to hurt the party afterwards. I have no problem with the criticism - but I DO despise them when they deliberately attempt to sabotage the very vehicle which will be the country's salvation in the end.

In wartime these kind of people were shot.

Douglas Denny.

eublues

Is this sort of silly talk a credit to someone who was/is the Party Secretary?

Simon Muir

Douglas, that's quite enough.

My first ever encounter with you was an extremely rude email you sent in response to something I'd circulated. You didn't know me, could probably not tell me from Adam, yet presumed to know what I was thinking, why I was behaving in a certain way (which you disagreed with), and went on to state generally how immature and stupid I was, compared to yourself and those you support. I am considerably more polite to my teenage children!

Later you went on to give me advice about whom I should choose as my friends, and why I shouldn't ask too many questions of UKIP's leadership.

You appear to be very poor at sizing people up, especially at long distances. You don't question (which makes you an ideal acolyte for the present leadership, I'll admit), and you apparently have a flexible morality in which the ends readily justify the means.

In short you are exactly the sort of person I joined UKIP to oppose.

You speak of people, 'deliberately damaging UKIP for their own petty ego.' Does that include breaking the law over copyright, as Nigel once did, or putting Devonians out of jobs, as Roger did? Were their actions deliberate? I find it hard to see how they could be construed otherwise. If they just didn't think of the consequences, how were they then fit to lead the party?

You and I both know why Petrina resigned from the NEC. The issue wasn't a slight from Nattrass, but the BIG and serious matter of accountability, of MEPs to the party that put them in place. Petrina rightly called for a clean house, but certain elements wanted none of it. As I said before you've been defending the indefensible, but now you're going further, in trying to make out that honest folk are not. To my mind that's disgusting.

UKIP has enough skeletons in its collective cupboard now to fill a morgue. Please understand this: such things do NOT stay hidden. Either the party deals with them, or it can expect them to be revealed at the least convenient moment, for example in the final days before polling at the next general election. It wouldn't be me, or Greg, telling the world, since those who have the power to do the most harm already know about them.

In the case of at least one recent imbroglio, I know for a fact that the press approached Greg, trying to build a story they already had and were stonewalled. The press pay good money for stories they want (I've been paid by Fleet Street in the past, so I know). It takes character and tenacity to refuse, especially when you know you couldn't make matters worse (but still take the money anyway). So you don't really know Greg Lance-Watkins at all. I won't act as his apologist, and his style is his own affair, but I will say this: he's a patriot and an honest man, and he certainly doesn't hate UKIP. In fact he gave the party it's best slogan to date - that UKIP is our lifeboat.

What he and I both hate however, although we may express it quite differently(!), is corruption of public office, be that a local government official, a government minister or an MEP. If that MEP happens to be in UKIP, on which we rely for honesty, probity and a lead out of this mess, both of us think that makes matters far worse.

We know who the enemy is and they can be defeated, but, like the British army fighting so nobly in Afghanistan and Iraq, it's the people behind our lines 'hurrying slowly' who need to be dealt with first. You might say the Army should stay loyal to the politicians no matter what, but that just gets people on the front line killed.

To me, and to many, that's true treachery.

douglas denny

Sheesh! You really have to spell it out sometimes on this forum ......
It's an expression old boy - not literal. It gives an impression of how heinous I think traitors are.

In fact traitors, spys and criminals have always been hung in this country .... but only after a trial naturally, as we are, after all, a civilised country aren't we?

I should, like Vernon Coleman, have been pleased however, to have seen the undoubted traitor Heath hung for his crimes - prefereably in public as a warning to the rest. No doubt there would have been a queue to pull the lever too if it was open to invitation.

Heath should have the folowing placed on his tombstone; (courtesty of Hilaire Belloc):

Here richly, with ridiculous display,
The Politician's corpse was laid away.
While all of his acquaintance sneered and slanged,
I wept, for I had longed to see him hanged.

Douglas Denny.

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Petrina

Denny`s ramblings on this thread lead me to believe that the sooner he is replaced the better .

The poor man can`t even make his mind up as to whether GLW is friend or foe .In his email to me concerning the exchange of emails between GLW and him he states "why don`t you mind your own business in what was a jocular exchange between FRIENDS " He then goes on to demand that I resign for simply having been seen in the company of the said GLW when he was a witness in the Baker case .

For goodness sake go and go soon ,and while you`re about it take Nikki with you ,you make a really sweet pair .

douglas denny

I know the moderators of this forum do not like personalised "slanging matches". Quite right. This is a personal statement though, made in response to Petrina's personal remarks. Made once only from me; it is up to others to comment afeterwards. I will not comment further as the final points on the issue from me will have been made. I refuse to comment further.

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Petrina; you are so full of XXXX.

You really are full of your own self importance, puttiing yourself before party and willfully refusing to even recognise the damage you have done to UKIP - the party of which you were the chairman once.

I say to your face - I think you are a traitor to the cause.

So you missed the irony and cynicism by my not using inverted commas around the "friends".
Anyone who knows what I think of GLW - KNOWS what I meant and would see this, but Oh no! apparently not you ......... and yet you are - you want everyone to know - a barrister supposedly cogniscent with the meaning of words and meaning!

I have made it abundently clear what think of your close association with GLW; and your efforts since leaving the NEC denigrating the Party Leader and hierarchy - you appeared with GLW at the diciplinary meeting scheduled, and were clearly "mates" as we say in the North.

I also suspect you have had contacts giving information to GLW for some considerable time which has been of use to him criticising the party.

Your association with this vile creature; and therefore by association -supporting his attacks on UKIP - this, along with your direct intervention promulgating damaging information to journalists including Andrew Marr two days before Nigel the leader is due to speak on Television with him is despicable in the extreme. If (as a barrister!) you cannot see the crass position you have put yourself in then let me tell you directly:-

It is GROSS - it is damaging to UKIP; it makes you a traitor like Lord Haw Haw in WW2; you are in an invidious postion of being reviled now and despised by many I know in UKIP .......

in the name of GOD GO ......... and damage no more ......

do it NOW ....... !

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But, I suspect you will NOT. Why? because you know you can be MORE damaging by remaining IN UKIP.
I think you are not interested in the "cause" - I think you are interested in supporting other interests outside of UKIP. Prove me wrong - RESIGN.

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As for me - I am nothing. I did my bit as Party Secretary for the time being to help out. I was happy with that. It is coming to a close, and I did my best. BUT .......

I would never damage the party in any way for the sake of the country....
wh9ich you have done.
So, for the sake of the party; and more importantly - for the sake of the country:

why don't you do the same as Anthony Butcher and Richard Suchuzorski and do the decent thing ......

RESIGN ! ........ NOW!

NO ifs! NO buts!


Douglas Denny. (EX - Party Secretary).
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