Peter Baker's show trial reduced to farce

C_steam · 14-10-2006, 08:08 AM

I have mentioned before that MM seems to specialise in ad-hominem attacks rather than dealing with the facts. However, I will comment that

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the pot-bellied prat

truly is an exceptional case in point. For those that don't know (and MM isn't one of them) the 'pot belly' is due to GLW having very few stomach muscles left after repeated invasive surgery for cancer.

This probably tells you all you need to know about Michael McGough, and the calibre of some of those left in the party.

Nikki Sinclaire · 16-10-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Petrina

Petrina didn`t send missives to the journalists critising UKIP.If you can read please read what I said ,and this from such a loyal servant as Nikki who took UKIP to court .

Pass the sick bag please .

I reluctantly to UKIP to the High Court on a matter of principle and won. I was elected to the NEC and removed illegally by one person purporting to have the power to do so. This person, John de Roeck then threatened the NEC with court action if they overuled him. The NEC (who voted 10-2 to reinstate me on the NEC) thought his threat was more credible than mine and and allowed democracy to go out of the window and remove an elected person. They were wrong.

Petrina subsequently gave advice to the party stating the de Roeck position was correct. I represented myself with a record of (contested 6 high court cases and won 6) and wiped the floor with the Barristers the party hired.

Thankfully those who perpetrated that awful affront to democracy and their supporters have all left and im still here.

Nikki

C_steam · 16-10-2006, 12:10 PM

For Nikki - see http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=14960

Nikki Sinclaire · 16-10-2006, 12:13 PM

5-4 says its ok - Thats democracy!

Mikeuk · 16-10-2006, 02:25 PM

These ridiculous personality clashes reflect no credit on UKIP whatsoever.

Why don't the parties make up and join forces against the real enemy.

We're in pole position to launch a devastating attack on the traitor Cameron and his gang of liars and turncoats.

If our key people are fighting like polecats in a sack we can achieve nothing.

brian lee · 16-10-2006, 02:34 PM

Nikki Sinclaire wrote

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Thankfully those who perpetrated that awful affront to democracy and their supporters have all left and im still here.

Thankfully for who?

One Londoner · 16-10-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brian lee

Thankfully for who?

You took the words out of my mouth, Brian. I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to be able to concentrate on attacking the real enemy (as Mikeuk correctly calls them) and not have to worry about internal bickering and back-stabbing, which took up most of my time when I was in UKIP.

Maybe senior UKIP people should come clean about who they think is the real enemy. Is it the EU/Lib/Lab/Con etc, or is it those anti-EU past and present members of UKIP whom they spend so much time attacking?

Anthony Butcher · 16-10-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by One Londoner

not have to worry about internal bickering and back-stabbing, which took up most of my time when I was in UKIP

This was my experience too. We would make a decision, only to have it ignored, over-ruled or have them pretend it never took place. Then there would be an argument (of course).

They might actually get more done now that Farage has assumed control and installed a more autocratic system. The four headed monster (NEC/Leader/Chairman/MEPs) running the party was almost designed to cause the maximum possible friction. Since Farage now controls three of them and has already said that he is changing the role of the NEC to oversight (as it always should have been), there will be a lot less scope for arguments at the top.

Of course the down side is that the party won't have any real internal democracy or any genuine rules of conduct, and it will be a case of Farage's way or the door.

Nikki Sinclaire · 16-10-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brian lee

Nikki Sinclaire wrote

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Thankfully those who perpetrated that awful affront to democracy and their supporters have all left and im still here.

Thankfully for who?

For a democratic party like UKIP.

Brian, you have always advocated greater democracy in UKIP yet you could never stand up for it.

You said at the time of the court case that even if I won it would be pointless, as I would alienate everyone in UKIP. You were wrong. Within 4 months of winning I was made Party Secretary eight months after that given a job again. I have a friendly, good working relationship with all senior UKIP people.

I also remember in the 2003 NEC elections when my candidature was severely sabotaged you got less votes than I did!

One Londoner · 16-10-2006, 03:44 PM

Did it ever occur to you, Nikki, that they made you party secretary in a desperate bid to stop you suing them? :wink:

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Nikki Sinclaire Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 101	5-4 says its ok - Thats democracy!

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Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,761 Party: Conservatives	These ridiculous personality clashes reflect no credit on UKIP whatsoever. Why don't the parties make up and join forces against the real enemy. We're in pole position to launch a devastating attack on the traitor Cameron and his gang of liars and turncoats. If our key people are fighting like polecats in a sack we can achieve nothing.

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One Londoner Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 468	Did it ever occur to you, Nikki, that they made you party secretary in a desperate bid to stop you suing them? :wink: