Peter Baker's show trial reduced to farce

Niall Warry · 13-10-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

for your information;

I have it from a reliable source was that what actually happened was that having agreed to allow his private office to be used for Peter Baker’s disciplinary hearing Gerard Batten found out only one hour before that Lance-Watkins was to attend. He then instructed Doug Denny and his staff that the pot-bellied, pig-tailed, prat was to be refused access to his premises. Given the non-stop torrent of insults, denigration and lies that UKIP’s deranged stalker sends out on a daily basis this should hardly surprise anyone. Did he think he would be invited in for tea and biscuits? Regarding the toilet jibe, I understand that when Doug Denny asked Mr Batten where Looney-Watkins could give his evidence he suggested that Loopey-Watkins could try and find the nearest public convenience as this would be the most appropriate place for him to do so. Naturally Libel-Watkins has twisted the meaning of this helpful response.

You simply can not be allowed to get with this. :evil:

It is completely within UKIP's rules and indeed the rules of natural justice that during a disciplinary hearing you can be represented by whoever you like. Peter was on trial and if he wants GLW then NOTHING says he can not have him. The way GLW, Petrina, Peter and I at least 2 branch chairman/lady were treated is no created to UKIP. :evil:

If we have NOTHING to hide who cares who attends a disciplinary. :?

douglas denny · 13-10-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by One Londoner

I'm sure Mr Zuckerman will do a fine job and it certainly can't do any harm to have someone with legal training as Party Sec, but as usual, Nigel is talking out of a bodily orifice better utilised as something to sit on.

He used a similar excuse to get rid of John de Roeck as treasurer (ie not a chartered accountant). In John de Roeck's era UKIP's Electoral Commission compliance was 100%. Since he was ejected, performance has been at best patchy. By the way, have the 2005 accounts been audited yet? :twisted:

There was no excuse needed or suggested by Nigel for replacement of the Party Secretary. I suggested it to him - though it was his decision of course whether to keep me on until end of term or replace with MZ. If he had asked me to carry on to next May of course I would have done so willingly. He chose to make a change - and I am very comfortable with that.

It was me who told Nigel that the position of PS really was better served by a lawyer, as someone with legal training is better equipped to deal with the kind of nonsense which inevitably arrives on the doormat (or e-mail these days).

Having said that; some lawyers (I am thinking of one in particular) get a bit anally-retentive with their high and mighty ideas of themselves and assume that this kind of stuff we deal with in a simple political party is all highly terribly important. They tend to think they are in high court instead of a a simple committees of ordinary folk unused to committee process let alone high courts.

A non-lawyer can do the job easily enough, however, but will make some mistakes on the way.
One thing for sure - you bloody well learn quickly .......

Douglas.

douglas denny · 13-10-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Petrina

Petrina didn`t send missives to the journalists critising UKIP.If you can read please read what I said ,and this from such a loyal servant as Nikki who took UKIP to court .

Pass the sick bag please .

See my post under subject: "Tiddums"

Douglas Denny.
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Simon Muir · 13-10-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall Warry

You simply can not be allowed to get with this.

Och, let him go. I reported the post, then sent a message to the moderators saying 'don't bother.'

It's puerile, vitriolic rubbish, and says far more about supposed UKIP leadership supporters now than any well observed comments might do.

What a sad lot they are. The real tragedy is that so many people looked, and are still looking, to UKIP to get the country out of its present debacle.

It's enough to make you weep.

Or go postal. Mark my words, if they don't realise soon what they've done and are doing to UKIP and through it our chances of ever returning to sane, honest UK government, somebody (not me!) probably will do just that eventually.

Mr. McGough, you are wholly, and very much in the wrong.

It may be because you've been duped, but people here are trying (with increasing frustration, I must admit) to explain it to you:

The present leadership cabal in UKIP are dishonest, lying manipulators, and those of them who work there have been bought by the EU one way or another. They may not even be wholly aware of how low they've sunk, but they have. Because of this situation they have condemned UKIP to weak success, which is EXACTLY what the nation's enemies want.

Supporting them means you are in essence supporting the EU. On reflection however, the thought occurs that, by doing it so badly, you are in essence helping the good guys.

So, er, keep it up! I think.

Konfused of Bristol

douglas denny · 13-10-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Muir

The present leadership cabal in UKIP are dishonest, lying manipulators, and those of them who work there have been bought by the EU one way or another. They may not even be wholly aware of how low they've sunk, but they have. ........

This is patently off-the-wall lunacy.
Where is your evidence of this rubbish?

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quote="Simon Muir"]
Supporting them means you are in essence supporting the EU.

By sayng this kind of thing you give every impression of being a lunatic.
How can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously after statements like these?

DED.

brian lee · 13-10-2006, 08:45 PM

Nigel Farage said recently

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I will fight for a Party of honesty, of openness and of integrity”.

It looks like he will be on his own although his own track record has come under much scrutiny over the years. Run by pillocks, (I meant political experts), who are prepared to go through a shambolic disciplinary procedure to right some alleged wrong by Peter Baker, I now believe that David Cameron is being proved to have been correct in his assessment, at least of the UKIP management.

If Nigel wants Party discipline, he should get one of those bull hide whips from Anne Summers, and after receiving 50 lashes himself beforehand for his own misdemeanours, set about with gusto on some of his lieutenants. Clearly, the Party Disciplinary process is a complete waste of everybody's time.

Forget the glossy sales leaflets being dropped through the doors in their thousands. Face to face, how can one sell UKIP with any modicum of honesty, openness and integrity, with this sort of carry on?

Soddball · 13-10-2006, 08:49 PM

Those bull hide whips from Ann Summers are good value. Plenty of flex and lots of wear for a tenner.

Niall Warry · 13-10-2006, 09:18 PM

What I would like to know is what exactly is this Anne Summers :? :wink:

brian lee · 13-10-2006, 10:51 PM

For those who are not familiar with the more "common" high street retailers, I understand Ann Summers specialises in skimpy undie type things as well as other accoutrements for fun. However, Miss Whiplash tells me that some of the latter are very suitable for disciplining.

SponPlague · 14-10-2006, 12:28 AM

There is a political connection: Didn't Norman Lamont have a Miss Whiplash style tenant once? :twisted: Ane then there was Harvey Proctor :twisted:

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Soddball Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 272	Those bull hide whips from Ann Summers are good value. Plenty of flex and lots of wear for a tenner.

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Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 1,731	What I would like to know is what exactly is this Anne Summers :? :wink:

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brian lee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 618	For those who are not familiar with the more "common" high street retailers, I understand Ann Summers specialises in skimpy undie type things as well as other accoutrements for fun. However, Miss Whiplash tells me that some of the latter are very suitable for disciplining.

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SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,401	There is a political connection: Didn't Norman Lamont have a Miss Whiplash style tenant once? :twisted: Ane then there was Harvey Proctor :twisted: