Are UKIP the voice of the British people?

mkpdavies · 08-10-2006, 12:37 AM

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...20061008013456

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Most of our ills seem to have come about through joining the EU. Britain is saturated to the point that our children cannot afford houses, our tradesmen are running out of work and our hospitals and schools cannot cope with the influx.

None of the main three parties seem interested in addressing these issues.

Mr Farage may well be right.

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Added: Saturday, 7 October, 2006, 13:30 GMT 14:30 UK

Given that Labour, Tories and Lib Dems are becoming shades of each other a truly different party would be refreshing - especially one for whom Brits matter more than foreigners

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Added: Saturday, 7 October, 2006, 14:17 GMT 15:17 UK

I would vote for UKIP, why not? i got nothing to lose, There should also be a National Referendum to deicide whether the UK should stay in or get out of Europe, i would vote to get out.

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Added: Saturday, 7 October, 2006, 13:55 GMT 14:55 UK

Over a period of time UKIP will gain more supporters. Independant UK, how nice not to be controlled by the USA and Brussels. Immigration restrictions, a sure vote winner. All we need now is a reduction in the benifit culture and special perks for families and they are on to a winner. No doubt the other parties will alter their policies when they see themselves losing votes.

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Added: Saturday, 7 October, 2006, 13:49 GMT 14:49 UK

UKIP can only gain more support with time. So many voters are fed up with the two main parties on the important items such as Europe, Immigration and crime. This island is gaining immigrants at the rate of 500,000 per year. This figure has not yet peaked and the strain on community relations, housing and the public services generally is overwhelming. None of the main parties seem to have a clue on these matters so UKIP will be seen as the next hope. They have my vote.

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Added: Saturday, 7 October, 2006, 14:12 GMT 15:12 UK

I would sooner vote UKIP than any of the three main political parties.

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Added: Saturday, 7 October, 2006, 15:47 GMT 16:47 UK

Together, high-immigration and the EU are destroying our national identity. What will be left for are children? I'll vote for any one that can get us out of this mess...

Ralph, Surrey

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Johnny Hates Jazz · 08-10-2006, 01:29 AM

I guess that means you'll be getting a UKIP MP at the next Parliamentary Elections

Well Done !

mkpdavies · 08-10-2006, 01:33 AM

This has always been the case with UKIP.

It's the same feedback I got during the GE. It's why I felt confident back then that people would vote a couple of MPs in.

But come election time, the media black out UKIP, while scaring people that Labour/Tories will get in if you don't vote Labour/Tories.

Combine that with poor organisation on UKIPs behalf and the results are there for all to see.

Maybe Camerons abandonment of any kind of democratic alternative may change things, but it's down to UKIP to prove they are ready to harness the feeling out there.

Will Nigel get the party organised to take advantage?

andypandy · 08-10-2006, 04:38 AM

If UKIP wants to break the mould they will have to start hammering at elections more frequently. No local election should be ignored, and as often and as frequently as possible, the name of the party needs to be put forward. Poor results may occur intitially, but in time, people will be more relaxed about voting for alternative parties. The Greens and the BNP have both seen the fuition of this.

Even the EDP are increasingly fighting local elections, but are probably years away from having the impact of the UKIP/Green/BNP nationally.

Soddball · 08-10-2006, 09:16 AM

I've been through that 'have your say'. For every pro-UKIP there's four against. That's not a bad figure, though.

However, the likelihood of its translating into actual votes is slim - UKIP has to run candidates for people to be able to vote for them.

You should also bear in mind that HYS is pretty right-wing. Despite the Beeb's best efforts to introduce 'balance', a healthy slab of posters there (me included on a regular basis) are right of centre. As it's middle-income, middle-England it's not really reflective of a national trend - although I find it deliciously ironic that the centre-left beeb's main discussion group is run by centre-rights.

Biscuitman · 08-10-2006, 09:33 AM

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the media black out UKIP,

Apart from the BBC and ITN has anybody found any coverage of our conference?

Nothing in Sunday's Mirror or MAil - perhaps they're waiting - pen poised - for todays session before commenting?

Or perhaps we'll get beggar all, again.

Anthony Butcher · 08-10-2006, 12:25 PM

What is there newsworthy about it though? That is the question. Unless there is a bust-up or someone says something stupid or controversial there is nothing to report. Nigel said what people expected him to say, and that isn't news.

Simon Muir · 08-10-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

What is there newsworthy about it though? That is the question. Unless there is a bust-up or someone says something stupid or controversial there is nothing to report. Nigel said what people expected him to say, and that isn't news.

I was called away from the Politics show by the doorbell - did I "blink" and miss it?

kernow · 08-10-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Muir

I was called away from the Politics show by the doorbell - did I "blink" and miss it?

There was no mention

Still all three main channels had it highlighted in their news yesterday!

Lewkip · 08-10-2006, 01:17 PM

Don't forget there is still a lot of hostility towards UKIP in the media. Even the BBC - that gave us a fair amount of coverage - was, at times, smug and dismissive in its reporting. Robin Chrystal all but rubbished the flat tax proposal:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5416848.stm

I sent Robin a rebuttal and pointed this BBC reporter to the Adam Smith Institute research that showed it can work:
http://www.adamsmith.org/pdf/flattax...20tax%20how%22

I also invited a follow-up piece to take on board the above. Will it happen? Who knows?

Also on the BBC:

The accusation from Diane Abbott on `This Week' that UKIP is anti-black (see the show here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ek/5414012.stm)

For its troubles, the BBC got a letter of complaint from me with a request she apologise on the next edition. Will it happen? Who knows?

But press on we must.

08-10-2006, 01:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,942	I guess that means you'll be getting a UKIP MP at the next Parliamentary Elections Well Done ! __________________ English or British or European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

08-10-2006, 01:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	This has always been the case with UKIP. It's the same feedback I got during the GE. It's why I felt confident back then that people would vote a couple of MPs in. But come election time, the media black out UKIP, while scaring people that Labour/Tories will get in if you don't vote Labour/Tories. Combine that with poor organisation on UKIPs behalf and the results are there for all to see. Maybe Camerons abandonment of any kind of democratic alternative may change things, but it's down to UKIP to prove they are ready to harness the feeling out there. Will Nigel get the party organised to take advantage? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

08-10-2006, 01:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lewkip Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lewisham Posts: 214	BBC coverage Don't forget there is still a lot of hostility towards UKIP in the media. Even the BBC - that gave us a fair amount of coverage - was, at times, smug and dismissive in its reporting. Robin Chrystal all but rubbished the flat tax proposal: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5416848.stm I sent Robin a rebuttal and pointed this BBC reporter to the Adam Smith Institute research that showed it can work: http://www.adamsmith.org/pdf/flattax...20tax%20how%22 I also invited a follow-up piece to take on board the above. Will it happen? Who knows? Also on the BBC: The accusation from Diane Abbott on `This Week' that UKIP is anti-black (see the show here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ek/5414012.stm) For its troubles, the BBC got a letter of complaint from me with a request she apologise on the next edition. Will it happen? Who knows? But press on we must.

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08-10-2006, 04:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	If UKIP wants to break the mould they will have to start hammering at elections more frequently. No local election should be ignored, and as often and as frequently as possible, the name of the party needs to be put forward. Poor results may occur intitially, but in time, people will be more relaxed about voting for alternative parties. The Greens and the BNP have both seen the fuition of this. Even the EDP are increasingly fighting local elections, but are probably years away from having the impact of the UKIP/Green/BNP nationally.

08-10-2006, 09:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Soddball Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 272	I've been through that 'have your say'. For every pro-UKIP there's four against. That's not a bad figure, though. However, the likelihood of its translating into actual votes is slim - UKIP has to run candidates for people to be able to vote for them. You should also bear in mind that HYS is pretty right-wing. Despite the Beeb's best efforts to introduce 'balance', a healthy slab of posters there (me included on a regular basis) are right of centre. As it's middle-income, middle-England it's not really reflective of a national trend - although I find it deliciously ironic that the centre-left beeb's main discussion group is run by centre-rights.

08-10-2006, 12:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,821 Party: None	What is there newsworthy about it though? That is the question. Unless there is a bust-up or someone says something stupid or controversial there is nothing to report. Nigel said what people expected him to say, and that isn't news.