Nigel Farage’s right hand man caught out in smear campaign

Intbel · 14-10-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

Intbel i am surprised you was a man of integrity to accuse someone of lying and then not substantiate is very poor, as someone that believed in you I am very disappointed.

Same as some woman accused John Moran of embezzelment without any substantiation whatsoever? And she used a microphone to do it, LOL!
Stupid, ignorant woman.

All you folks seem interested in is digging up dirt, manufacturing it if you canna find it and generally causing unrest.

Makes me sick ... now, someone tell me how I can unsub from this petty playground.

Anthony Butcher · 14-10-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

Same as some woman accused John Moran of embezzelment without any substantiation whatsoever? And she used a microphone to do it, LOL!
Stupid, ignorant woman.

Then John should either sue her for slander, put in a formal complaint to the party or issue a statement denying her claim.

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Originally Posted by Intbel

All you folks seem interested in is digging up dirt, manufacturing it if you canna find it and generally causing unrest.

Isn't this exactly what you have just done? You have accused me of lying twice and refused to give any details, and you have stated that Moran's smear campaign is in fact true, again without any substantiation. If anyone is guilty of low standards of behaviour it is yourself.

I genuinely want to know what you think I have lied to you about. If I have misled you in some way, then I want to be able to apologise or explain. Given that we have never met, and I don't think that we have ever spoken, exchanged emails or even sent a PM to each other in the last 12 months (I might be wrong), I am at a loss as to what I could have lied to you about.

B.A.Ware · 14-10-2006, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

Intbel i am surprised you was a man of integrity to accuse someone of lying and then not substantiate is very poor, as someone that believed in you I am very disappointed.

Same as some woman accused John Moran of embezzelment without any substantiation whatsoever? And she used a microphone to do it, LOL!
Stupid, ignorant woman.

All you folks seem interested in is digging up dirt, manufacturing it if you canna find it and generally causing unrest.

Makes me sick ... now, someone tell me how I can unsub from this petty playground.

Two wrongs don't make a right, I don't care about the rights or wrongs i care about people , people that i thought had integrity you have made a statement you refuse to back it up, if it was anyone else i couldn't give a toss but i believed in your "i don't owe anyone anything attitude and i will say it as it is".

You might not like some of the people on this site but i think i have been pretty honest with you and i feel you have let me down as you seem to be playing the same game you was totally against.

You known you don't have to be to be unregistered you can just stop posting

Independent UKIP · 14-10-2006, 02:40 AM

I'm gonna take a wild speculative guess as to what Intbel is referring to in his posts. The following is not taken from any particular post here or anywhere else and is just my simple conjecture based on my impression of the multitude of posts prior to the leadership election.

1. Will you remain on the NEC if Farage wins? Yes

2. Will you remain a member of UKIP if Farage wins? Yes

If I'm wrong about either point I'm sure somebody will point that out and I apologise in advance for that and will apologise again next time I log in here.

Anthony Butcher · 14-10-2006, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP

1. Will you remain on the NEC if Farage wins? Yes

2. Will you remain a member of UKIP if Farage wins? Yes

I don't think that I ever said either.

Independent UKIP · 15-10-2006, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP

1. Will you remain on the NEC if Farage wins? Yes

2. Will you remain a member of UKIP if Farage wins? Yes

I don't think that I ever said either.

I therefore fully apologise for my inaccurate recollection and understanding on both those matters.

Tom Wilde · 16-10-2006, 10:16 PM

This forum used to be rather fun. I remember (was it only 18 months ago?) idealistic people called Anthony Butcher, Intbel, Biscuitman and UKIPMan, Bellatrix, C-steam and MKPDavies who used to swap merry banter and profound remarks in between plotting the salvation of the world. Ah me, them were the days. Now UKIPMan seems to have vanished, as does our ever-acute FibDem nemesis Scotgirl. Bellatrix (she of the thousand shoes) is apparently spitting poison on some other website, Anthony Butcher is disillusioned and grumpy, Intbel is having a pop at him for reasons nobody understands (but which are plainly deeply felt - I remember seeing a post from him months ago about Tony having 'lied' to him). Only Matt seems basically his old self, even if he is now semi-detatched from UKIP. And maybe C-steam, too. Biscuitman still lightens the spirits, but appears far too rarely these days. We've picked up some good new people too, but the skies have darkenned.

Is this the famous ability of the internet to bring people together? Or have I been watching the Curse of UKIP in action? A journalist five years ago wrote of the "skein of vituperation and hatred that characterises Ukip". Why? Why can't we be an easygoing, friendly party like the Greens? It isn't that UKIP attracts irritable old gits - the people here are diamond geezers and geezeresses. Leaving aside the specific reasons if possible (he said she said they said he did that was unforgiveable) why is there so much the feuding? Tis a heck of a shame.

mkpdavies · 16-10-2006, 10:25 PM

UKIP attracts strong independent characters. It will always stuggle to retain them.

Nigel was pretty spot on with his hearding cats comment.

I guess people just have to realise the dog is more dangerous than the other cats.

Biscuitman · 16-10-2006, 10:40 PM

Good post Tom.

Unfortunately because of serious health problems - its a case of whether the NHS runs out of dosh before I run out of life - I have togive more time to stashing it away for the family.

BUT, I think that when the dust settles over the next couple of weeks or so UKIP or another entity will emerge brighter and stronger than ever to keep the eusceptic flame burning.

mkpdavies · 16-10-2006, 10:42 PM

We are in a state of flux at the moment.

The Tories are failing under Cameron, which will lead to mayhem for a while.

We just need to be ready to unite at the right time.

That includes old Labour and real Liberal in the Lib Dems too.

16-10-2006, 10:25 PM	#48 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,053 Party: Libertarian Party	UKIP attracts strong independent characters. It will always stuggle to retain them. Nigel was pretty spot on with his hearding cats comment. I guess people just have to realise the dog is more dangerous than the other cats. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	Good post Tom. Unfortunately because of serious health problems - its a case of whether the NHS runs out of dosh before I run out of life - I have togive more time to stashing it away for the family. BUT, I think that when the dust settles over the next couple of weeks or so UKIP or another entity will emerge brighter and stronger than ever to keep the eusceptic flame burning. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,053 Party: Libertarian Party	We are in a state of flux at the moment. The Tories are failing under Cameron, which will lead to mayhem for a while. We just need to be ready to unite at the right time. That includes old Labour and real Liberal in the Lib Dems too. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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14-10-2006, 02:40 AM	#44 (permalink)
Independent UKIP Uber Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 2,421	I'm gonna take a wild speculative guess as to what Intbel is referring to in his posts. The following is not taken from any particular post here or anywhere else and is just my simple conjecture based on my impression of the multitude of posts prior to the leadership election. 1. Will you remain on the NEC if Farage wins? Yes 2. Will you remain a member of UKIP if Farage wins? Yes If I'm wrong about either point I'm sure somebody will point that out and I apologise in advance for that and will apologise again next time I log in here.

16-10-2006, 10:16 PM	#47 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,911	This forum used to be rather fun. I remember (was it only 18 months ago?) idealistic people called Anthony Butcher, Intbel, Biscuitman and UKIPMan, Bellatrix, C-steam and MKPDavies who used to swap merry banter and profound remarks in between plotting the salvation of the world. Ah me, them were the days. Now UKIPMan seems to have vanished, as does our ever-acute FibDem nemesis Scotgirl. Bellatrix (she of the thousand shoes) is apparently spitting poison on some other website, Anthony Butcher is disillusioned and grumpy, Intbel is having a pop at him for reasons nobody understands (but which are plainly deeply felt - I remember seeing a post from him months ago about Tony having 'lied' to him). Only Matt seems basically his old self, even if he is now semi-detatched from UKIP. And maybe C-steam, too. Biscuitman still lightens the spirits, but appears far too rarely these days. We've picked up some good new people too, but the skies have darkenned. Is this the famous ability of the internet to bring people together? Or have I been watching the Curse of UKIP in action? A journalist five years ago wrote of the "skein of vituperation and hatred that characterises Ukip". Why? Why can't we be an easygoing, friendly party like the Greens? It isn't that UKIP attracts irritable old gits - the people here are diamond geezers and geezeresses. Leaving aside the specific reasons if possible (he said she said they said he did that was unforgiveable) why is there so much the feuding? Tis a heck of a shame.