Richard Suchorzewski Resigns

Lewkip · 07-10-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon Muir

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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP

I'm not totally sure where you're coming from there, sorry.

The present leadership of UKIP would have difficulty finding its collective bottom with a bottom-finder.

If the party doesn't CLEAN UP its act and stop thinking there are short cuts to being effective (i.e. things that avoid the need for proper processes and organization), the moment it becomes more than a buzzing nuisance will be the moment it discovers what dirty tricks in politics really mean.

That's no threat from me. It's a sanguine assessment of what our opponents will do to the movement as a whole.

For everyone involved, the EU means jobs, presteige, pensions and big money now (and that includes UKIP's MEPs). The more effective the realist movement becomes, the more we threaten all that, and Maslow applies with a vengance. They will be forced to try to take us down, and right now they easily can. AIUI there are quite sufficient skeletons in cupboards to go around, and it's not just the protagonists who know where they are. It's the press and our opponents too (who control those 'levers of power' we want to get our hands on).

If Nigel truly understood the peril he's in, he'd be desperate to find an excuse to step down. I think he may feel trapped - that he has no alternative but to lead the party - but not seeing a right course is rarely a good reason for adopting a wrong one. Now he's leader, his private life, his accounts, his family and children, his businesses, his speeding tickets or parking fines or mistresses or any other indiscretions, even his choice of clothes and holiday destinations become 'legitimate' targets for the press. Roger found that out to his cost. If he hadn't gone anyway, I expect the Battle of the Attic would have caused his resignation (people didn't push for it primarily because there wasn't any point).

The BOO issue is a sideshow really. We'll have no impact on the Tories either way through it (with two exceptions, those MPs who've signed have pretty strong majorities anyway), but telling them this far ahead that we'll not fire is a tactical blunder, taking the heat off when it's most important.

As I said, for the time being it seems the call is for more shovels, not to stop digging.

By the way, I have no idea how many (if any) parking tickets or mistresses or whatever Nigel has - the point is that someone does, and will make that knowledge into nuisance at the worst possible moment they can, if Nigel ever gains any sort of traction.

No form of tidying up the party can ever satisfy the cynical accusations that our opponents can level at us - whether they are for past or present failings. We should not let the fear of future retribution frighten us off course. History favourably records those who faced great odds and yet managed to triumph. Many key figures from the past have had skeletons in their closets, some of which were well-known to the chattering classes.

Yet for all these kind of threats, we have seen the end of Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Apartheid South Africa. Before their demise, many so-called experts would openly speak of accommodation with these evil States, at times even praising their achievements. I find close parallels with what we face today with an EU Europe.

My fellow posters, don't lose heart. History is on our side where oppressive regimes are concerned. Don't be put off by the fleeting issues of personality; stay focused on the long game. An earlier post spoke of the need to persuade the membership to cough up £5 per month each to boost finances. All it takes is £50 to print 5,000 risograph leaflets and have a group of 5 people blanket a high street once a month. I guarantee that in half a year, you'll have triple that amount of members to your local cause, with the attendant improvements to the local coffers.

Stop dwelling on the momentary crashing of the waves above: It merely dances to the whim of the Moon and the strong and silent currents below that will have their day...

Simon Muir · 07-10-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by brian lee

I understood Bob Spink, Con, Castle Point, Majority 8,201 was one of the first to sign.

He wasn't listed on the site, which shows how seriously they're taking it.

Simon Muir · 07-10-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lewkip

Stop dwelling on the momentary crashing of the waves above: It merely dances to the whim of the Moon and the strong and silent currents below that will have their day...

Have you ever read Animal Farm?

Lewkip · 07-10-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon Muir

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Originally Posted by Lewkip

Stop dwelling on the momentary crashing of the waves above: It merely dances to the whim of the Moon and the strong and silent currents below that will have their day...

Have you ever read Animal Farm?

Yes. And have you read Long Walk to Freedom by Nelson Mandela?

Millennium3 · 07-10-2006, 11:54 AM

Surely..

'An earlier post spoke of the need to persuade the membership to cough up £5 per month each to boost finances.' [for long-term growth]

is more in keeping with...

'Stop dwelling on the momentary crashing of the waves above: It merely dances to the whim of the Moon and the strong and silent currents below that will have their day...'

than...

'All it takes is £50 to print 5,000 risograph leaflets and have a group of 5 people blanket a high street once a month. I guarantee that in half a year, you'll have triple that amount of members to your local cause, with the attendant improvements to the local coffers.'

Lewkip · 07-10-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Millennium3

Surely..

'An earlier post spoke of the need to persuade the membership to cough up £5 per month each to boost finances.' [for long-term growth]

is more in keeping with...

'Stop dwelling on the momentary crashing of the waves above: It merely dances to the whim of the Moon and the strong and silent currents below that will have their day...'

than

'All it takes is £50 to print 5,000 risograph leaflets and have a group of 5 people blanket a high street once a month. I guarantee that in half a year, you'll have triple that amount of members to your local cause, with the attendant improvements to the local coffers.'

No it's not. The close on my last substantial close was a metaphoric call to not be distracted by the short-term, ever turbulent, ever temporary ebb and flow of our political life and keep focused on the real forces of power and resistance at work.

I am not convinced that rank and file members will just open up their pocketbooks because part of it looks good on paper (and I have those memorable interrogations of flimsy business plans on `Dragon's Den' coming to me as I type!).

However, I am convinced by the power of personal contact with the man on the street, especially when there is NOT an election, and that if we all took the time to think and act local, the idea of £5 per month nationally would be more plausible on the backs of local achievement.

eublues · 07-10-2006, 09:06 PM

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It was a privilege to be elected Chairman of UKIP Wales

Does anyone know when this election was, and how many candidates there were?

mkpdavies · 07-10-2006, 09:21 PM

I wonder if there will be an election this time?

Or will Nigel select someone. If that's the case, I can see Jim Carver making a return.

eublues · 07-10-2006, 09:25 PM

Was there an election last time?

Populist Lee · 09-10-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluemerle

Populist Lee - Oliver Letwin will not sign the BOO, he has already committed himself to staying in and changing things. I had long arguments with OL in the past, he kept telling me that I would let Blair back in.

He thought he would lose last time and the Tories had to spend a fortune. The Lib/Dim candidate thought she had beaten him. The Tories behaved appallingly towards our candidate at the count. If looks could kill, she would have dropped dead on the spot.

Where abouts in Dorset are you??

I reside in a Constituency adjoining Letwin's: Mid Dorset and North Poole.
The MP is Annette Brooke.
One thing is very clear, and that is the Tories do believe UKIP cost them the seat in 2001. I mentioned to the Secretary of the local Association that I had voted UKIP and he threw a hissy fit. You know the form:- "A vote for UKIP is a vote for Blair".
I pointed out to him firmly that the Tory Party had better find a better argument if they want EU-sceptics to vote for them.

In 2005 the UKIP candidate, Avril King, received a very presentable vote. Not high enough to actually prevent the Tories regaining the seat. My own view is the Tories abandoned campaigning here in order to cross the boundary to help Letwin. There was no campaign from the Tories to speak of. The LibDems put in a big effort and were rewarded with a thumping increase in their majority. I expect Purbeck was the same; but to Labour's benefit.

If the same sort of pressure is applied to Letwin again in 2009, the Tories will have same problem again.

I must admit I asked Letwin a leading question. Even so, I went away with the distinct impression UKIP had been "done to a turn". Nothing I can prove, however.

Changing the subject.
Is anyone able to provide me with a link/source to a speech or article or interview from Paul Sykes where he actually says he wants the UK out of the EU??

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07-10-2006, 11:54 AM	#125 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,762	Surely.. 'An earlier post spoke of the need to persuade the membership to cough up £5 per month each to boost finances.' [for long-term growth] is more in keeping with... 'Stop dwelling on the momentary crashing of the waves above: It merely dances to the whim of the Moon and the strong and silent currents below that will have their day...' than... 'All it takes is £50 to print 5,000 risograph leaflets and have a group of 5 people blanket a high street once a month. I guarantee that in half a year, you'll have triple that amount of members to your local cause, with the attendant improvements to the local coffers.'

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eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,196	Was there an election last time?