Leadership Contest on BBC News 24

kernow · 04-09-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Blair's pro-EU Lie-bour Party has been losing (since returning to power in 1997) twice as many members per year as the estimated total membership of UKIP :twisted: . The mystery is why this record-breaking 'achievement' by the europhile Blair has not been the subject of substantial media attention. Part of the reason may that too many Labourites are working on news desks and in editorial offices.

I suspect the BBC doesn't employ EU sceptic newsreaders, probably part of their contract!

SponPlague · 04-09-2006, 11:24 AM

It's simpler than that: they only advertise the jobs in the Guarnaid :twisted:

Millennium3 · 04-09-2006, 11:27 AM

The expectation that BBC newsreaders will display Eurosceptic views challenges Cameron's view that for the majority our membership of the EU is simply a fact - no longer an issue. If this is the case, we should not be surprised if newsreaders follow this line, the BBC will, and generally should, follow the mainstream view.

Do we have any recent hard evidence that Cameron is wrong?

Lawrie Boxall · 04-09-2006, 01:08 PM

I am with you M3. The BBC is actually doing UKIP a massive favour by telling it how it is perceived by the wider electorate. If UKIP did any market research (as we suggested in 2001) it would learn that the BBC is correct. The BBC is saving the party thousands of pounds on consultants fees. All UKIP has to do is listen and change. Are they capable of listening and changing - or only of repeating the endless complaints which re-inforce and re-confirm the public perception?

Millennium3 · 04-09-2006, 01:21 PM

Absolutely LB.

Righteous indignation is a poor way to win converts!

Britannist · 05-09-2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lawrie Boxall

I am with you M3. The BBC is actually doing UKIP a massive favour by telling it how it is perceived by the wider electorate. If UKIP did any market research (as we suggested in 2001) it would learn that the BBC is correct. The BBC is saving the party thousands of pounds on consultants fees. All UKIP has to do is listen and change. Are they capable of listening and changing - or only of repeating the endless complaints which re-inforce and re-confirm the public perception?

What UKIP has to do is target seats. That's what a much smaller party than UKIP - the Greens - did in the Pavilion (Brighton) constituency in May of last year. They almost came second in the constituency and had the sitting Labour MP very worried.

Dr. Paisley's DUP in Northern Ireland started off as a small party (like UKIP0 and - through targetting - now has half the seats in Northern Ireland (UKIP, which spreads itself too thinly, has no seats in the Commons on three times the votes secured by the DUP at the last General Election).

Britannist · 05-09-2006, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

It's simpler than that: they only advertise the jobs in the Guarnaid :twisted:

Yes, that's a good point. Richard Littlejohn, the eurosceptic columnist (Daily Mail) has said the same. That the BBC is pro-left and pro-EU is absolutely indisputable. Blair's spat with the BBC over its Iraq reporting was like a row within the family.

The sooner the BBC has to stand on its own two feet and not scrounge off 17 million people forced to pay it money, the better.

Britannist · 05-09-2006, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Millennium3

The expectation that BBC newsreaders will display Eurosceptic views challenges Cameron's view that for the majority our membership of the EU is simply a fact - no longer an issue. If this is the case, we should not be surprised if newsreaders follow this line, the BBC will, and generally should, follow the mainstream view.

Do we have any recent hard evidence that Cameron is wrong?

It's the people we don't see on screen, in the BBC newsrooms, that are mostly to blame.

Millennium3 · 05-09-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

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Originally Posted by Lawrie Boxall

I am with you M3. The BBC is actually doing UKIP a massive favour by telling it how it is perceived by the wider electorate. If UKIP did any market research (as we suggested in 2001) it would learn that the BBC is correct. The BBC is saving the party thousands of pounds on consultants fees. All UKIP has to do is listen and change. Are they capable of listening and changing - or only of repeating the endless complaints which re-inforce and re-confirm the public perception?

What UKIP has to do is target seats. That's what a much smaller party than UKIP - the Greens - did in the Pavilion (Brighton) constituency in May of last year. They almost came second in the constituency and had the sitting Labour MP very worried.

Dr. Paisley's DUP in Northern Ireland started off as a small party (like UKIP0 and - through targetting - now has half the seats in Northern Ireland (UKIP, which spreads itself too thinly, has no seats in the Commons on three times the votes secured by the DUP at the last General Election).

I don't think these two approaches are mutually exclusive. I would suggest that both be employed.

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04-09-2006, 11:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,123	It's simpler than that: they only advertise the jobs in the Guarnaid :twisted:

04-09-2006, 11:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,569	The expectation that BBC newsreaders will display Eurosceptic views challenges Cameron's view that for the majority our membership of the EU is simply a fact - no longer an issue. If this is the case, we should not be surprised if newsreaders follow this line, the BBC will, and generally should, follow the mainstream view. Do we have any recent hard evidence that Cameron is wrong?

04-09-2006, 01:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 1,015	I am with you M3. The BBC is actually doing UKIP a massive favour by telling it how it is perceived by the wider electorate. If UKIP did any market research (as we suggested in 2001) it would learn that the BBC is correct. The BBC is saving the party thousands of pounds on consultants fees. All UKIP has to do is listen and change. Are they capable of listening and changing - or only of repeating the endless complaints which re-inforce and re-confirm the public perception?

04-09-2006, 01:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,569	Absolutely LB. Righteous indignation is a poor way to win converts!