How Much Does the EU Cost Britain?

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 03:43 PM

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2481

The article and paper are officialy up now!

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 03:47 PM

Woooooa there a minute. See where the link takes you!

http://www.brugesgroup.com/HowMuch.pdf

The Brugesgroup???????

I'm a member of that, but I didn't realise UKIP were working with them now!

eublues · 31-08-2006, 04:16 PM

They do claim to be "an independent all-party think tank. Our independence is our strength allowing us to be free to follow our own policy agenda and put the national interest above party political considerations."

In practice they have always been a Tory pressure group, but they seem to be trying a bit harder to be independent - which is good I think.

mark starr · 31-08-2006, 04:49 PM

Very interesting, by coming from the Bruges Group it'll get better circulation and believability

John Page · 31-08-2006, 05:02 PM

Good to see UKIP doing numbers at last. First reactions -

I see the Bruges group have got Press Office disease in that they misprint dates (the publication date on page 2 is August 2005!).

Why does the pamphlet use gross rather than net contributions?

Did they consult the Trade Policy Research Centre? They've calculated, for instance, that the CAP "costs the average family of four £1,500 a year".

No reference to Minford's book, which included a number for increased cost of manufactured goods.

Bra wars? Shoe wars?

"The costs of over-regulation have been assumed to remain the same" (page 16, just like that) but they are the biggest single item, they have risen substantially since Milne's book as new regulations come in, and I'm sure there are higher government numbers.

Will people be able to relate to numbers presented like this?

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 05:44 PM

I take it this is a "live" document and is therefore open to change/updates.

You see ommisions, I say report it!

SponPlague · 01-09-2006, 09:36 AM

Amazing - the DT actually credited us! Well done, Gerard! :P

eublues · 01-09-2006, 10:03 AM

Excellent report on Batten's paper in the Telegraph today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/01/neu01.xml

John Page · 01-09-2006, 11:26 AM

It's also in the Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Petrina · 01-09-2006, 08:52 PM

Thank goodness GB has done something re a cost/benefit analysis .
My argument started with Nattrass over the fact that UKIP had not produced a pamphlet on the subject nor one on exit strategy etc.In fact apart from GB`s occasional and welcome efforts and Godfrey`s excellent paper some while ago absolutely damn all comes out of the MEPs that can be used by UKIP.
However Nattrass ,no doubt backed by others, wasn`t interested in such matters ,all that appeared to matter was that no one other than the MEPs had a say in what they did.
Just think what they could do if they all clubbed together and produced some hard hitting papers on the EU .
Instead the research dept. in Brussels has produced a paper on Education and soon one on Flat Tax ! Great stuff no doubt ,but we are hear to wake the British up NOW and get us out of the EU ,not just show them how clever we are at what could be done once we are out .

If we provide useful well researched stuff for the press to use they will do a lot of our job for us .
I lay the blame for the lack of action firmly and squarely on the doorstep of NF for not getting a grip on the MEPs`research and putting it to good use .

Well done Gerard .One well researched paper reported here is worth thousands of hours spent pontificating in a pretend parliament .

31-08-2006, 03:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	How Much Does the EU Cost Britain? http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2481 The article and paper are officialy up now! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

31-08-2006, 03:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	Woooooa there a minute. See where the link takes you! http://www.brugesgroup.com/HowMuch.pdf The Brugesgroup??????? I'm a member of that, but I didn't realise UKIP were working with them now! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

31-08-2006, 05:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	I take it this is a "live" document and is therefore open to change/updates. You see ommisions, I say report it! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

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31-08-2006, 04:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,196	They do claim to be "an independent all-party think tank. Our independence is our strength allowing us to be free to follow our own policy agenda and put the national interest above party political considerations." In practice they have always been a Tory pressure group, but they seem to be trying a bit harder to be independent - which is good I think.

31-08-2006, 04:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
mark starr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 645	Very interesting, by coming from the Bruges Group it'll get better circulation and believability

31-08-2006, 05:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	Good to see UKIP doing numbers at last. First reactions - I see the Bruges group have got Press Office disease in that they misprint dates (the publication date on page 2 is August 2005!). Why does the pamphlet use gross rather than net contributions? Did they consult the Trade Policy Research Centre? They've calculated, for instance, that the CAP "costs the average family of four £1,500 a year". No reference to Minford's book, which included a number for increased cost of manufactured goods. Bra wars? Shoe wars? "The costs of over-regulation have been assumed to remain the same" (page 16, just like that) but they are the biggest single item, they have risen substantially since Milne's book as new regulations come in, and I'm sure there are higher government numbers. Will people be able to relate to numbers presented like this?

01-09-2006, 09:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,401	Amazing - the DT actually credited us! Well done, Gerard! :P

01-09-2006, 10:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,196	Excellent report on Batten's paper in the Telegraph today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/01/neu01.xml

01-09-2006, 11:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	It's also in the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

01-09-2006, 08:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,064	Thank goodness GB has done something re a cost/benefit analysis . My argument started with Nattrass over the fact that UKIP had not produced a pamphlet on the subject nor one on exit strategy etc.In fact apart from GB`s occasional and welcome efforts and Godfrey`s excellent paper some while ago absolutely damn all comes out of the MEPs that can be used by UKIP. However Nattrass ,no doubt backed by others, wasn`t interested in such matters ,all that appeared to matter was that no one other than the MEPs had a say in what they did. Just think what they could do if they all clubbed together and produced some hard hitting papers on the EU . Instead the research dept. in Brussels has produced a paper on Education and soon one on Flat Tax ! Great stuff no doubt ,but we are hear to wake the British up NOW and get us out of the EU ,not just show them how clever we are at what could be done once we are out . If we provide useful well researched stuff for the press to use they will do a lot of our job for us . I lay the blame for the lack of action firmly and squarely on the doorstep of NF for not getting a grip on the MEPs`research and putting it to good use . Well done Gerard .One well researched paper reported here is worth thousands of hours spent pontificating in a pretend parliament .