Peerage After the Leadership Election

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 10:18 PM

Bown could afford one.

prober · 31-08-2006, 11:47 PM

Your purity is admirable BB ( unless you are a troll trying to stop UKIP being effective) & similarly some still say UKIP should not attempt to take part in and get publicity by speaking in the EU parliament because the EU is fundamentally anti democratic. ( ie making UKIP impotent with head in sand hoping the world will go away) Wake up to the real world B Boy. At present despite the cronies installed by New Labour , the unelected H of L is one of the bulwarks defending democracy against authoritarian New Labour. UKIP MUST seek any avenue of influence it can, elected or appointed or infiltrated in order to influence or stall evil & achieve reforms . Read Sun Tzu .

Labour is desperately thinking up " elected" ways of reforming the H of L to make it impotent, silence critics in its own party within the H of L and make it a slave to the "elected" dictatorship we have now. One of its wheezes is election by PR on party lists ( which means closed party lists of loyalist cronies creeps ), which UKIP must vigorously attack. There is room for a thread elsewhere on reform of the H of L but making it "elected" New Labour fashion will make it less democratic and representative of real people.

UKIP must seize what opportunities it can on a pragmatic basis. Eg UKIP wants Regional Assemblies abolished. Instead of trying to get someone appointed on it or undertaking legal challenges it winges on the side lines ignored . Unless UKIP has a good case to believe R As will suceed in abolishing themselves, they are here to stay& their powers will grow. hence UKIP should switch tack 180 degrees & lobby for direct elecstions to Regional Assemblies under PR so it can take up seats and do everything it can within to obstruct removal of local democracy. eg Nigel doing his stuff to humiliate Prescott etc.

Oliver · 31-08-2006, 11:55 PM

Well said Prober!!!

You have a handle on the subject!

BASILDON BOY · 01-09-2006, 01:22 AM

So what you are saying is that UKIP should campaign for a peerage for a major cash donor to UKIP?

Just becasue something is morally wrong should not stop UKIP from joining the gravy train like the Lib/Lab/Con parties?

That getting an unelected peer appointed to the House of Lords is something to be championed - despite UKIP proclaiming that its policy is an elected House of Lords?

Does anybody not see we are on the slippery slope of just being like the old parties?

mkpdavies · 01-09-2006, 02:28 AM

What are the Lords for?

Checking and balancing what the elected boys do.

Who should be a Lord?

Successful, clever, dedicated, caring people.

Does Alan Bown fit all of those traits for BRITAIN?

Yes he does.

Get him in there.

Britannist · 01-09-2006, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Independent UKIP

The DUP have 9 MPs & are the biggest party in Northern Ireland. So long as Blair continues to refuse to let them have a peer then I don't think there is any hope of UKIP having a peer.

In actual fact, the deeply unpleasant europhile establishment which presently govern us and who tried to block a peerage for anyone from the largely anti-EU DUP for as long as possible have had - I am pleased to say - climb down.

Eileen Paisley (wife of the famous DUP party leader, Ian) is now a member of the House of Lords.

UKIP, having won more votes than the europhile Liberal 'Democrats' in the June 2004 EU election, deserves full representation in the Lords. And we know why UKIP hasn't (yet) got it. Because UKIP is against something that the vile europhile metro-political 'elite' in this country are for - membership of the EU.

BASILDON BOY · 01-09-2006, 08:12 AM

....and please lest exactly what Alan Bown has done for UKIP....

Petrina · 01-09-2006, 09:16 AM

The fact is that without Alan Bown UKIP might have gone under .

As we have no proper (open,regular and accountable)system of funding from the MEPs for the party ,he has been asked ,and has given a good deal of money to bail us out .

He has asked for nothing in return .

Richard Allen · 01-09-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASILDON BOY

....and please lest exactly what Alan Bown has done for UKIP....

Far more than the vast majority (probably everyone) who posts on this message board.

SponPlague · 01-09-2006, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Allen

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASILDON BOY

....and please lest exactly what Alan Bown has done for UKIP....

Far more than the vast majority (probably everyone) who posts on this message board.

Agreed 100%.
When we learn to stop insulting the donors we have, maybe we'll deserve some more? :roll:

31-08-2006, 10:18 PM	#31 (permalink)
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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	What are the Lords for? Checking and balancing what the elected boys do. Who should be a Lord? Successful, clever, dedicated, caring people. Does Alan Bown fit all of those traits for BRITAIN? Yes he does. Get him in there. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

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31-08-2006, 11:47 PM	#32 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 860	Your purity is admirable BB ( unless you are a troll trying to stop UKIP being effective) & similarly some still say UKIP should not attempt to take part in and get publicity by speaking in the EU parliament because the EU is fundamentally anti democratic. ( ie making UKIP impotent with head in sand hoping the world will go away) Wake up to the real world B Boy. At present despite the cronies installed by New Labour , the unelected H of L is one of the bulwarks defending democracy against authoritarian New Labour. UKIP MUST seek any avenue of influence it can, elected or appointed or infiltrated in order to influence or stall evil & achieve reforms . Read Sun Tzu . Labour is desperately thinking up " elected" ways of reforming the H of L to make it impotent, silence critics in its own party within the H of L and make it a slave to the "elected" dictatorship we have now. One of its wheezes is election by PR on party lists ( which means closed party lists of loyalist cronies creeps ), which UKIP must vigorously attack. There is room for a thread elsewhere on reform of the H of L but making it "elected" New Labour fashion will make it less democratic and representative of real people. UKIP must seize what opportunities it can on a pragmatic basis. Eg UKIP wants Regional Assemblies abolished. Instead of trying to get someone appointed on it or undertaking legal challenges it winges on the side lines ignored . Unless UKIP has a good case to believe R As will suceed in abolishing themselves, they are here to stay& their powers will grow. hence UKIP should switch tack 180 degrees & lobby for direct elecstions to Regional Assemblies under PR so it can take up seats and do everything it can within to obstruct removal of local democracy. eg Nigel doing his stuff to humiliate Prescott etc.

31-08-2006, 11:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
Oliver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WHITBY North Yorkshire (but my heart is in Woking) Posts: 1,062	Well said Prober!!! You have a handle on the subject!

01-09-2006, 01:22 AM	#34 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 2,063	So what you are saying is that UKIP should campaign for a peerage for a major cash donor to UKIP? Just becasue something is morally wrong should not stop UKIP from joining the gravy train like the Lib/Lab/Con parties? That getting an unelected peer appointed to the House of Lords is something to be championed - despite UKIP proclaiming that its policy is an elected House of Lords? Does anybody not see we are on the slippery slope of just being like the old parties?

01-09-2006, 08:12 AM	#37 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 2,063	....and please lest exactly what Alan Bown has done for UKIP....

01-09-2006, 09:16 AM	#38 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,064	The fact is that without Alan Bown UKIP might have gone under . As we have no proper (open,regular and accountable)system of funding from the MEPs for the party ,he has been asked ,and has given a good deal of money to bail us out . He has asked for nothing in return .