UKIP Press update

gawain · 30-08-2006, 07:28 AM

It's not petty to want independence
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29 August 2006
Western Morning News
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I concede that patriotism is overrated and jingoism a terrible distorter of vision, but that does not mean UKIP members are "petty" as Michael Price alleges (WMN, August 7). Was Gandhi petty to struggle for India's independence? What is wrong with us wanting to be governed by our own nationals and for our own nationals? Surely we know, as a mature democracy, what is better for us.

First we were told the EU would prevent future wars, but no one explained which members would be at each other's throats if it broke up. Indeed Germany wanted a united Europe in 1930, dominated by its expansionist Herrenvolk ideology. France, its collaborator during the war, was keen to join forces with it and exclude us, because they wanted to dominate it, as they have done ever since.

Sixty per cent of our new laws emanate from Brussels, though we are always outvoted there. Of course we are expected to contribute £44 million to their next budget, despite the fact that they have £14 billion in many thousands of secret bank accounts across the globe - the size of the entire budget of Luxembourg. Why pay them £11 billion a year when their accounts have not been passed by auditors for the past 11 years? We are subsidising fraud and corruption.

Why do they want to expand? An EU official said: "Once a country applies to join, it becomes our slave." Much of the constitution French and Dutch voters rejected has been covertly implemented already. They decide when our farmers may harvest - a puddle must be over 20m from a farm gate! They order them not to ride on a tractor for more than three hours a day. They must accept GM crops. The Common Fisheries Policy has been disastrous for us. It is criminal to sell in pounds and ounces. They are still bent on abolishing our pintas, according to Heath's commitment in 1972.

They are also bent on abolishing our counties, replacing them by unelected regional assemblies that we finance. The EU is seriously damaging not only our economy, but those of many desperately poor countries against whom they erect high tariffs - 101 per cent on rice, 118 per cent on bananas, 173 per cent on lamb.

Why remain members of a club that limits our own prosperity, while aggressively harming the world's poorest? Ninety-five per cent of British businesses do not want the euro and nine out of ten jobs have no connection with the EU. Norway and Switzerland thrive outside it. We would gain access to global markets, while still trading with it.

We deserve better than to be a minor partner in a failing, corrupt club. We already belonged to the Commonwealth, a much more enlightened, freely associating group of traditional allies that never attempted to dominate our media, tax, justice system and armed forces. Nor did they tell us we must not build organs that contain lead and electrical parts, and other such bureaucratic lunacies.

M H Simpson

Truro

Warnings on Europe anything but tripe
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29 August 2006
Western Morning News
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Having crossed pens with Jonathan Ward-Hayne many times in these columns, I'm tempted to use the old adage that "our loss will be France's downfall" but that would be unfair. As a believer in freedom and democracy, I'm happy to see him free to live where he chooses, but I find his parting shot at UKIP quite puzzling.

He referred to being "very tired of the same old repetitive UKIP tripe being peddled around the Westcountry" and that "some people seem totally divorced from 21st century realities".

I offer a parting shot to JW-H by reminding him that Devon and Cornwall voted for UKIP in the majority in the EU election in June 2004, which places him in the minority if he bothered to vote.

Furthermore, when his beloved French had the chance to vote on the EU Constitution, which we were denied, a majority declined to be railroaded any further into the EU morass of fraud, corruption and "democratic deficit".

Anyone, who believes in representative democracy must surely accept the will of the majority as shown by an informed electorate, even if that is not to the taste of that person.

The tragedy in the UK is that the electorate has been lied to about the reality of the EU since 1972 - a fact widely documented by many impeccable sources, and by no stretch of the imagination to be classed as tripe.

I wish JW-H a happy retirement in France where the tripe remains a speciality to be enjoyed!

Graham Booth MEP

Newton Abbot

Of course there's an EU plan for region
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29 August 2006
Western Morning News
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I was interested to read Dennis Abbot's letter (August 19) in which it is stated that there is no EU plan for the UK regions.

In that case, we should abolish the costly regional assemblies, development associations and all the other trappings of regional government and return powers to district and county councils.

I believe most people in this country would welcome such a move. It would reduce council tax and help to ease the burden on income tax. There would be no need to send representatives regularly to the Committee of the Regions.

Unfortunately, I am afraid Mr Abbot's letter contains more spin than substance. The following quote comes from a leaflet entitled The West of England - Taking our place in Europe: "The West of England in Europe is a partnership of 31 organisations which aims to promote the West of England's participation in the process of European integration."

In a booklet entitled The South West - A Region of the European Union, published before the accession of the ten new countries, the very first sentence reads: "The European Union is composed of 15 Member States but comprises a much greater number of regions …"

This booklet goes on to tell of all the plans the EU has for the region, from education to science, farming, fishing, culture, the economy, etc.

If the EU really does not have any plans for the regions, why is it necessary to have a Committee of the Regions - and, for that matter, a press officer?

Iris Binstead

UKIP

Polruan
and finally and odd one

Voting for the right reasons
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29 August 2006
Western Daily Press
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In replying to David Robins, John Smith (Your Say, August 9) points to the small number of votes cast for the Wessex Party in the last General Election.

The thing about those votes is that they were cast positively. None of the three big parties can make the same claim.

Labour voters voted for New Labour against their gut instincts. Conservatives voted for the Tories because they didn't have the courage to vote for UKIP, and most of the rest voted entirely negatively for the Lib Dems because they had been told (often wrongly) that only by voting tactically for the Lib Dems could one or other of the rival parties be defeated, depending where the Lib Dems were standing.

On the question of Wessex culture versus English culture, he could say the same about Germany and Holland, Germany and Switzerland, France and Belgium, France and Italy, and any number of border areas.

Robert Spratt Regional Secretary The Wessex Party

kernow · 30-08-2006, 12:32 PM

There is a brilliant article in to-days Western Morning News by David Challice titled "Fishing industry was sold down the river" I wanted to put it on this site but not being computer literate I have no idea how to go about it, perhaps one of you whizz kids could!

mkpdavies · 30-08-2006, 01:56 PM

You guys couldn't approach the Western Morning News to get them to do a Woking Morning News could you?

blank_frackis · 19-11-2006, 08:04 PM

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Sixty per cent of our new laws emanate from Brussels, though we are always outvoted there.

I'd like to know where this figure comes from, it seems like much of UKIP's figures as to how many laws come from Brussels are based on a prediction Jacques Delors made in 1988, I've heard anything from 60-90% of our laws come from the EU. Most (academic) studies have put the figure at between 10 and 20% - for instance Annette Toller, "Dimensionen der Europaisierung" in 2003.

mkpdavies · 19-11-2006, 08:08 PM

The Germans reckon 80%

blank_frackis · 19-11-2006, 08:10 PM

Where? I'm asking where these figures come from because the studies I've read have put it at 10-20% yet we constantly here incredible numbers about 80% or even higher.

mkpdavies · 19-11-2006, 08:12 PM

You give me the studies that 10-20% of new legislation is initiated in the EU and I'll go find the German story.

1% is too much for me.

mkpdavies · 19-11-2006, 08:14 PM

http://www.free-europe.org/blog/?itemid=307

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The German Federal Ministry for Justice has stated in answer to a parliamentary written question that between 1998 and 2004, 23,167 legal acts were adopted in Germany, of which 18,917, or 80%, were of EU origin (See the German and English texts of this question and answer below). Presumably Ireland, being a unitary rather than a Federal State like Germany, would have a higher proportion of domestic national laws enacted centrally; so it seems plausible to assume that the EU makes two-thirds or so of our laws rather than the 80% in Germany.

blank_frackis · 19-11-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

You give me the studies that 10-20% of new legislation is initiated in the EU and I'll go find the German story.

1% is too much for me.

I gave you one, I don't know where it is online as it's from a journal.

mkpdavies · 19-11-2006, 08:20 PM

No link no believe, sorry.

30-08-2006, 07:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
gawain Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 268	UKIP Press update It's not petty to want independence 513 words 29 August 2006 Western Morning News default 7 English (c) Western Morning News, 2006 I concede that patriotism is overrated and jingoism a terrible distorter of vision, but that does not mean UKIP members are "petty" as Michael Price alleges (WMN, August 7). Was Gandhi petty to struggle for India's independence? What is wrong with us wanting to be governed by our own nationals and for our own nationals? Surely we know, as a mature democracy, what is better for us. First we were told the EU would prevent future wars, but no one explained which members would be at each other's throats if it broke up. Indeed Germany wanted a united Europe in 1930, dominated by its expansionist Herrenvolk ideology. France, its collaborator during the war, was keen to join forces with it and exclude us, because they wanted to dominate it, as they have done ever since. Sixty per cent of our new laws emanate from Brussels, though we are always outvoted there. Of course we are expected to contribute £44 million to their next budget, despite the fact that they have £14 billion in many thousands of secret bank accounts across the globe - the size of the entire budget of Luxembourg. Why pay them £11 billion a year when their accounts have not been passed by auditors for the past 11 years? We are subsidising fraud and corruption. Why do they want to expand? An EU official said: "Once a country applies to join, it becomes our slave." Much of the constitution French and Dutch voters rejected has been covertly implemented already. They decide when our farmers may harvest - a puddle must be over 20m from a farm gate! They order them not to ride on a tractor for more than three hours a day. They must accept GM crops. The Common Fisheries Policy has been disastrous for us. It is criminal to sell in pounds and ounces. They are still bent on abolishing our pintas, according to Heath's commitment in 1972. They are also bent on abolishing our counties, replacing them by unelected regional assemblies that we finance. The EU is seriously damaging not only our economy, but those of many desperately poor countries against whom they erect high tariffs - 101 per cent on rice, 118 per cent on bananas, 173 per cent on lamb. Why remain members of a club that limits our own prosperity, while aggressively harming the world's poorest? Ninety-five per cent of British businesses do not want the euro and nine out of ten jobs have no connection with the EU. Norway and Switzerland thrive outside it. We would gain access to global markets, while still trading with it. We deserve better than to be a minor partner in a failing, corrupt club. We already belonged to the Commonwealth, a much more enlightened, freely associating group of traditional allies that never attempted to dominate our media, tax, justice system and armed forces. Nor did they tell us we must not build organs that contain lead and electrical parts, and other such bureaucratic lunacies. M H Simpson Truro Warnings on Europe anything but tripe 267 words 29 August 2006 Western Morning News default 7 English (c) Western Morning News, 2006 Having crossed pens with Jonathan Ward-Hayne many times in these columns, I'm tempted to use the old adage that "our loss will be France's downfall" but that would be unfair. As a believer in freedom and democracy, I'm happy to see him free to live where he chooses, but I find his parting shot at UKIP quite puzzling. He referred to being "very tired of the same old repetitive UKIP tripe being peddled around the Westcountry" and that "some people seem totally divorced from 21st century realities". I offer a parting shot to JW-H by reminding him that Devon and Cornwall voted for UKIP in the majority in the EU election in June 2004, which places him in the minority if he bothered to vote. Furthermore, when his beloved French had the chance to vote on the EU Constitution, which we were denied, a majority declined to be railroaded any further into the EU morass of fraud, corruption and "democratic deficit". Anyone, who believes in representative democracy must surely accept the will of the majority as shown by an informed electorate, even if that is not to the taste of that person. The tragedy in the UK is that the electorate has been lied to about the reality of the EU since 1972 - a fact widely documented by many impeccable sources, and by no stretch of the imagination to be classed as tripe. I wish JW-H a happy retirement in France where the tripe remains a speciality to be enjoyed! Graham Booth MEP Newton Abbot Of course there's an EU plan for region 266 words 29 August 2006 Western Morning News default 6 English (c) Western Morning News, 2006 I was interested to read Dennis Abbot's letter (August 19) in which it is stated that there is no EU plan for the UK regions. In that case, we should abolish the costly regional assemblies, development associations and all the other trappings of regional government and return powers to district and county councils. I believe most people in this country would welcome such a move. It would reduce council tax and help to ease the burden on income tax. There would be no need to send representatives regularly to the Committee of the Regions. Unfortunately, I am afraid Mr Abbot's letter contains more spin than substance. The following quote comes from a leaflet entitled The West of England - Taking our place in Europe: "The West of England in Europe is a partnership of 31 organisations which aims to promote the West of England's participation in the process of European integration." In a booklet entitled The South West - A Region of the European Union, published before the accession of the ten new countries, the very first sentence reads: "The European Union is composed of 15 Member States but comprises a much greater number of regions …" This booklet goes on to tell of all the plans the EU has for the region, from education to science, farming, fishing, culture, the economy, etc. If the EU really does not have any plans for the regions, why is it necessary to have a Committee of the Regions - and, for that matter, a press officer? Iris Binstead UKIP Polruan and finally and odd one Voting for the right reasons 166 words 29 August 2006 Western Daily Press default 15 English Copyright (c) 2006 Western Daily Press. All Rights Reserved. In replying to David Robins, John Smith (Your Say, August 9) points to the small number of votes cast for the Wessex Party in the last General Election. The thing about those votes is that they were cast positively. None of the three big parties can make the same claim. Labour voters voted for New Labour against their gut instincts. Conservatives voted for the Tories because they didn't have the courage to vote for UKIP, and most of the rest voted entirely negatively for the Lib Dems because they had been told (often wrongly) that only by voting tactically for the Lib Dems could one or other of the rival parties be defeated, depending where the Lib Dems were standing. On the question of Wessex culture versus English culture, he could say the same about Germany and Holland, Germany and Switzerland, France and Belgium, France and Italy, and any number of border areas. Robert Spratt Regional Secretary The Wessex Party

30-08-2006, 01:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	You guys couldn't approach the Western Morning News to get them to do a Woking Morning News could you? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

19-11-2006, 08:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	The Germans reckon 80% __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

19-11-2006, 08:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
blank_frackis Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 308 $blank_frackis is just starting out$	Where? I'm asking where these figures come from because the studies I've read have put it at 10-20% yet we constantly here incredible numbers about 80% or even higher.
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19-11-2006, 08:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	You give me the studies that 10-20% of new legislation is initiated in the EU and I'll go find the German story. 1% is too much for me. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

30-08-2006, 12:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,996	There is a brilliant article in to-days Western Morning News by David Challice titled "Fishing industry was sold down the river" I wanted to put it on this site but not being computer literate I have no idea how to go about it, perhaps one of you whizz kids could!

19-11-2006, 08:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	No link no believe, sorry. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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