The stable door is wide open and the horse has disappeared

mkpdavies · 24-08-2006, 04:10 PM

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2466

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23-08-2006

The Government, the Conservative Party and learned pundits talking about the immigration fiasco are being at best naive and at worst dishonest.

The simple truth is that the British Government can do nothing at all to halt the next wave of immigration from Romania and Bulgaria, according to Nigel Farage MEP, the UK Independence Party's leader in the European Parliament. "The membership of these countries is a done deal. The best we can hope for is that their membership of the EU is delayed for a year. But that is it. All the treaties have been signed, the European Parliament has agreed it and another 350,000 or so workers will be arriving in Britain" said Mr Farage.

"All this talk of quotas and delays is frankly rubbish. There is nothing this Government can do to stop people coming here to work. That's what Britain agreed to, as part of the EU.

"The Government and the Tories know this but they will not admit it to the public. The sad fact is that we have no control over our borders or over who comes here.

"There is only one solution. That is to leave the EU", added Mr Farage.

"I know we will be scorned for saying so but it is the truth. We were the only Party to vote against increasing the number of member states in 2004 and the only Party to vote against the accession of Bulgaria and Romania.

We were the only Party that said that hundreds of thousands of workers would come to the UK at a time the Government was saying it would only be 13,000.

We were right then and we are right now".

"If the Government really wants to take action to ease the burden of immigration then they should start the job of deporting the half a million or so immigrants that are in this country illegally", said Mr Farage.

Notes:

Migrationwatch study on possible Bulgarian/Romanian immigration to the UK

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/Brie...d_Bulgaria.asp

Super Nige, the only man capable of doing anything in the party.

StGeorge · 24-08-2006, 07:08 PM

Apart from UKIP wasn't the only party to predict hundreds of thousands of workers, although UKIP probably were the only ones to make the prediction without being slammed for racism. :wink:

eublues · 25-08-2006, 07:06 AM

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The simple truth is that the British Government can do nothing at all to halt the next wave of immigration from Romania and Bulgaria, according to Nigel Farage MEP, the UK Independence Party's leader in the European Parliament. "The membership of these countries is a done deal. The best we can hope for is that their membership of the EU is delayed for a year. But that is it. All the treaties have been signed, the European Parliament has agreed it and another 350,000 or so workers will be arriving in Britain" said Mr Farage.

Is Nigel entirely correct about this? - i.e. his apparent claim that if Bulgaria and Romania join EU in near future (eg 1st Jan 2007), the UK could not impose at least temporary restrictions of the sort currently used by France and Spain in relation to those countries that joined the EU in 2004.

If he is correct that the UK government can do "nothing at all" it would be useful if it was explained precisely why that would be the situation.

(I don't doubt that for the medium and long-term the situation will be as the above statement suggests, and, of course, illegal immigration will continue as now.)

mkpdavies · 25-08-2006, 08:19 AM

As long as other countries have limits in the EU, I don't see how it can be argued that we can't.

Maybe one day this will be the case, but not now.

jp · 25-08-2006, 08:25 AM

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As long as other countries have limits in the EU, I don't see how it can be argued that we can't.

The difficulty is that all EU "citizens" can without exception visit all other EU countries.

All that has happened in countries which theoretically have controls is that people work illegally

eublues · 25-08-2006, 08:49 AM

Thanks for responses. If that is what the UKIP/Nigel statement means it should have said so.

For one thing, explaining that properly would prevent others making unsupportable statements on the basis of the UKIP/Nigel statement that would make us look silly.

John Youles · 25-08-2006, 09:01 AM

EU countries are permitted to restrict the working rights of the new accession states, but not to prevent them from immigrating. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html

eublues · 25-08-2006, 09:48 AM

Good explanation, thanks. So the UKIP statement is correct as worded.

mkpdavies · 25-08-2006, 09:53 AM

We need Shelia on the case.

gawain · 25-08-2006, 01:49 PM

This morning Tom Wise spoke on his local radio on Ruth Kelly's multicultralism initiative. Gerard Batten represented the party on the same subject last night on BBC news 24.

25-08-2006, 08:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
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John Youles Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norwich Posts: 154	EU countries are permitted to restrict the working rights of the new accession states, but not to prevent them from immigrating. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html __________________ John Youles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ind-uk/ - the discussion list exclusive to UKIP members.

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gawain Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 243	UKIP in the Media This morning Tom Wise spoke on his local radio on Ruth Kelly's multicultralism initiative. Gerard Batten represented the party on the same subject last night on BBC news 24.

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24-08-2006, 07:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 415	Apart from UKIP wasn't the only party to predict hundreds of thousands of workers, although UKIP probably were the only ones to make the prediction without being slammed for racism. :wink:

25-08-2006, 08:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,951	Thanks for responses. If that is what the UKIP/Nigel statement means it should have said so. For one thing, explaining that properly would prevent others making unsupportable statements on the basis of the UKIP/Nigel statement that would make us look silly.

25-08-2006, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,951	Good explanation, thanks. So the UKIP statement is correct as worded.