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Richard Allen · 27-08-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

Question;if I am correct Petrina was heavily involved in drafting the new Constitution and is to be the deputy leader if Richard wins clearly replacing Mike .Where is the big deal?

It's no big deal but a bit of clarity would be nice.

SponPlague · 27-08-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

Question;if I am correct Petrina was heavily involved in drafting the new Constitution and is to be the deputy leader if Richard wins clearly replacing Mike .Where is the big deal?

She has since said that it changed significantly after she left... Although clearly, with no reference to deputy leader, it didn't change significantly enough.

It's also interesting to note that when Nikki says the leader can create any post he likes, that's just him. Under the old constitution, the post was subject to NEC ratification, so would still be valid when the leader left. Under the new one, as far as I can tell, the leader's appointments will cease one he stops being leader, so the deputy couldn't stand in during a leadership campaign anyway :twisted:

michael mcgough · 28-08-2006, 08:48 AM

That clearly needs addressing.

Nikki Sinclaire · 29-08-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Allen

If the WM Committee used information that was 17 months out of date then perhaps Nikki can explain how I (a member for 3-4 months) received a copy.

The information I received was direct from the Committee Chairman. This data was also added with various other details they had on file. No copy of the DB was requested from HQ

Nikki Sinclaire · 29-08-2006, 10:42 AM

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She has since said that it changed significantly after she left... Although clearly, with no reference to deputy leader, it didn't change significantly enough.

No it didn't, I have a copy of Petrina's draft and it didn't mention the Deputy Leader

Silence does not remove anything

explanations were given and at no point was it stated that the post of DL was to be abolished.

Nikki

SponPlague · 29-08-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki Sinclaire

Silence does not remove anything

explanations were given and at no point was it stated that the post of DL was to be abolished.

Nikki

Nikki, clearly if it's not in the constitution, it doesn't exist. It did, now it doesn't. Further, even if it did, since as a leader's appointment it is no longer subject to NEC ratification, it is a different kettle of fish.

Are you seriously contending that it's a good idea, that an outgoing leader, say Alan Sked, can create any posts he likes without reference to the NEC and they would still be valid after he had left?

Why don't you just, as I suggested, raise a business meet motion to clear this up? :P

Nikki Sinclaire · 29-08-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gimlet

Nikki

Are you concerned at the cost or the content of the letter? If it is the cost, then I consider it money well spent. The committe are not a bunch of fools, and as I understand it , all of them supported RS. So what is wrong with articulating that fact to members?- that seems pretty democratic to me. So you are obviously happy with Mikes letter thrusting his opinion onto everone? The point is there is no longer any reason why this party should be held up - because it is being held up - and members are sick to death of inaction. Its is time to change and some people do not want change.

It is untrue that the majority of the committee support 'ski'. Many abstained and a significant number of absentees are horrified at the letter.

The letter was not even sent out in the correct manner via the committee secretary. Wonder why that was?

It is certainly a waste of money that aprox 200-300 ex members received a copy of the letter (£46-£69+)

As I have said before, Mike would have not commented on this if this letter had not been sent out. Mike and his office received many calls/emails asking why he was supporting 'ski'

Nikki

Nikki Sinclaire · 29-08-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

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Originally Posted by Nikki Sinclaire

Silence does not remove anything

explanations were given and at no point was it stated that the post of DL was to be abolished.

Nikki

Nikki, clearly if it's not in the constitution, it doesn't exist. It did, now it doesn't. Further, even if it did, since as a leader's appointment it is no longer subject to NEC ratification, it is a different kettle of fish.

Are you seriously contending that it's a good idea, that an outgoing leader, say Alan Sked, can create any posts he likes without reference to the NEC and they would still be valid after he had left?

Why don't you just, as I suggested, raise a business meet motion to clear this up? :P

Alan Sked did he appointed Craig Mackinlay Acting Leader.

I think I have made my point about the DL.
btw, the election I was taking about was a General/European Election. It would be crazy if we had no DL.

Nikki

SponPlague · 29-08-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki Sinclaire

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Are you seriously contending that it's a good idea, that an outgoing leader, say Alan Sked, can create any posts he likes without reference to the NEC and they would still be valid after he had left?

Alan Sked did he appointed Craig Mackinlay Acting Leader.

I think I have made my point about the DL.
btw, the election I was taking about was a General/European Election. It would be crazy if we had no DL.

Nikki

1. Alan Sked made the appointment before the old constitution was in place, but I asked if the power to do it was a good idea without reference to the NEC? Would you have been happy with Michael Holmes appointing a colleague as DL before he left in his place?

2. Leadership elections can be postponed. If the leader dies or wharever... then the person who takes the reigns should be specifically mentioned in the constitution as before.

Face it, you folks (drafting committee) messed up, it happens, now why not draft a motion to get the business meet to sort this out, and then we can all go and do usefull stuff?

ryansoton · 01-09-2006, 11:31 PM

If we have a chairman do we need a deputy leader anyway

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28-08-2006, 08:48 AM	#43 (permalink)
michael mcgough Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 1,254	That clearly needs addressing.

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ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 782 Party: Other	If we have a chairman do we need a deputy leader anyway