Is DCB fit to hold in any role in the Party?

douglas denny · 17-08-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

What's the point writing to Doug Denny?

The point is, at the moment, he's the only means by which the discipline process can be triggered - Assuming that's the correct hammer for this nut...

N.B.I do not intend to make any further reply to this but the following needs to be said about the disciplinary committee.
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An interesting quote that from 'Sponplague'!

An astonishing admission.

As you claiim you are familiar with the disciplinary rules and process -(which in fact you should) as I sent a copy of the rules to you, gave delegated power to you to continue a specific complaint against a particular person, (as it would have been in breach of natural justice for me to carry out the process, having instigated a complaint to the NEC myself who then gave a decision to start the process), which you then carried out, reporting to me, which in turn was reported to the NEC.

Would you like to explain on a public forum why it was that you apparently ignored those rules and procedures which you now claim to know all about and published a declaration that you and another had "held a disciplinary meeting" and had "suspended the Party Secretary" ?

You have put yourself in a position of a possible disciplinary complaint in so doing incidentally.

For the record: the procedure is:

Any specific complaint has to be put to the Party Secretary in writing stating the exact nature of the transgression of party rules and/or constitution. He/she then assesses it and tries to find an explanation/ apology/ rapproachment with the complainant. In other words to deal with it satisfactorily without further recourse.

If not satisfactory, then the Party Secretary puts it before six of the Disciplinary Panel (there are twelve to choose from) and it is they who decide if it is substantive enough to warrant a full disciplinary hearing.
At all stages the respondent is given the chance to explain his actions/behaviour and to apologise or assure the Party Secretary or the Panel that it will not happen again, in which case the matter is dropped.

Only then does it go to a disciplinary committee who decide on the facts. The Party Secretary has a casting vote but only if there is not a clear decision.

Douglas Denny.

Hartlepool · 17-08-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

What's the point writing to Doug Denny? He's a fully paid up member of the cabal.

Heck he even got sigs for Nigels nomination for him.

How about getting signatures From the cabals so called Leader then?

Is getting signatures for members of the cabal as serious as you suggest ?

Is it as serious as having one of them to Second you for the UKIP NEC Elections like Suchorzewski did with Nigel Farage Seconding him?

Some people need to come clean and own up to the fact that they know very little about Suchorzewski and his mates in Wales.

Noses and garden paths springs easily to mind more each day.

Oh how I've missed you all lately.

mkpdavies · 17-08-2006, 02:02 PM

I know a lot more now.

Even if I knew sod all, I would choose unknown over definite cabal, as you have done without an ounce of shame.

Oliver · 17-08-2006, 02:02 PM

Have you been away, Pooly?

Oliver · 17-08-2006, 02:06 PM

Matt
You are bang on.
It is a two horse race Noakes & Ski

To Late Now, have voted for SKI , Hope I don't regret it!

Colin McNamee · 17-08-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver

Have you been away, Pooly?

Hartlepool, Have you been on the bench ?

Welcome back.

Bluemerle · 17-08-2006, 02:55 PM

I have had a reply from Douglas Denny, none yet from Geoffrey Kingscott.

Dear Margaret,
I assure you I do not approve of smear tactics in any election campaign. It happens every time, in all elections.

This particular campaign has become nasty with the supporters of various of the candidates doing what they know they really should not!
I am glad to say though, the candidates themselves are being restrained and keeping within the bounds of a clean campaign.

I am aware of the rumours about Richard Suchusorski, and aware they are being put about on the internet, but as you should know yourself from the kind of antics on the 'Forum', it is simply not possible to "stamp out" these kind of nasty rumours and their spread.

If people with their own agendas insist on saying untruths how do you propose to counter it? The internet has made it so easy for those who use it to have access to, and add to, the general cloud of information, that it is impossible to try to sweep through the rubbish with one clean sweep with the truth. For my part, I simply do not approve of any rumour, I always reject it - I only deal in fact, evidence and what is the nearest one can get to the truth. With a rumour like that - I demand evidence first before I shall believe it.

I tried on the 'forum' myself to make things clearer about issues and only found it made things worse if anything, with the inevitable nonsensical people deliberately distorting and misrepresenting what I had to say regardless of the truth.

The only saving grace I can suggest for you to consider, is that luckily there are not that many of the "ordinary " members of UKIP who take an active interest in what is promulgated on the internet political scene. There are near 18,000 members out there in the country; most are getting on with their lives without recourse to reading the internet rubbish - they have better things to do. And of those who do read it I think you can be reassured most will be able to recognise "********" propaganda when it hits them in the face. I do not think it will be damaging to the overall result.

If you want to repeat what I have said, please do so if you think it might help.

Regards,
Douglas.

P.S. to last e-mail:

Just a small point - my position is 'Party Secretary'....... not 'General Secretary' - which is Geoffrey Kingscott.

Although I am theoretically responsible for the election campaign constitutionally; the job of organising the election is a full-time one which I could not possibly carry out so has been officially delegated (and agreed by the NEC) to the General Secretary, Geoffrey Kingscott who would be interested in your comments too.

Actually, as he is organising the election and is responsible for it with his delegated powers, your request is more properly in his domain. You might like to repeat your concerns to him.

His e-mail is:-

Kingscott Geoffrey (GENERAL ...
E-mail Address:
gensec@ukip.org
Personal Information:
Address:
Geoffrey Kingscott
General Secretary
UK Independence Party
PO Box 408
Newton Abbot
TQ12 9BG
Phone: 0800 5 876 587

mkpdavies · 17-08-2006, 02:58 PM

I think being employees of either

a) The party (of which I include UKIPs Ind Dem staff)
B) One of the leadership candidates

makes it a whole lot easier for action to be taken.

However, it seems these positions actually have immunity. Can't think why.

Hartlepool · 17-08-2006, 02:58 PM

Someone made an error I think and banned/blocked me.

Anyway,I was not able to get into this Forum for quite a while.

Still having problems though and cant get to read any PMs I get.

Kind of stange eh?

By the way,are those who are supporting Suchorzewski on here doing so with his full agreement,blessing and knowledge?

I ask because this Candidate says very little about everything.

Perhaps Sucherzewski can get one of you to also explain for him how he came to use the so called Cabal Leader Nigel Farage to Second him for the UKIP NEC Elections?

Unless there is a language problem then saying that there is no cabalistic connection between Farage and Suchorzewski seems imposible to believe.

Anyway,as you new cabalistas know well,David Campbell Bannerman and Del continue to forge ahead of all others.

Don't forget to let us know if Suchorzewski drops out anytime soon guys. :wink:

mkpdavies · 17-08-2006, 03:02 PM

I need some of what you are smoking.

17-08-2006, 02:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	I know a lot more now. Even if I knew sod all, I would choose unknown over definite cabal, as you have done without an ounce of shame. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	I think being employees of either a) The party (of which I include UKIPs Ind Dem staff) B) One of the leadership candidates makes it a whole lot easier for action to be taken. However, it seems these positions actually have immunity. Can't think why. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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17-08-2006, 02:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
Oliver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WHITBY North Yorkshire (but my heart is in Woking) Posts: 1,061	Have you been away, Pooly?

17-08-2006, 02:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Oliver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WHITBY North Yorkshire (but my heart is in Woking) Posts: 1,061	Matt You are bang on. It is a two horse race Noakes & Ski To Late Now, have voted for SKI , Hope I don't regret it!

17-08-2006, 02:55 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,238	I have had a reply from Douglas Denny, none yet from Geoffrey Kingscott. Dear Margaret, I assure you I do not approve of smear tactics in any election campaign. It happens every time, in all elections. This particular campaign has become nasty with the supporters of various of the candidates doing what they know they really should not! I am glad to say though, the candidates themselves are being restrained and keeping within the bounds of a clean campaign. I am aware of the rumours about Richard Suchusorski, and aware they are being put about on the internet, but as you should know yourself from the kind of antics on the 'Forum', it is simply not possible to "stamp out" these kind of nasty rumours and their spread. If people with their own agendas insist on saying untruths how do you propose to counter it? The internet has made it so easy for those who use it to have access to, and add to, the general cloud of information, that it is impossible to try to sweep through the rubbish with one clean sweep with the truth. For my part, I simply do not approve of any rumour, I always reject it - I only deal in fact, evidence and what is the nearest one can get to the truth. With a rumour like that - I demand evidence first before I shall believe it. I tried on the 'forum' myself to make things clearer about issues and only found it made things worse if anything, with the inevitable nonsensical people deliberately distorting and misrepresenting what I had to say regardless of the truth. The only saving grace I can suggest for you to consider, is that luckily there are not that many of the "ordinary " members of UKIP who take an active interest in what is promulgated on the internet political scene. There are near 18,000 members out there in the country; most are getting on with their lives without recourse to reading the internet rubbish - they have better things to do. And of those who do read it I think you can be reassured most will be able to recognise "********" propaganda when it hits them in the face. I do not think it will be damaging to the overall result. If you want to repeat what I have said, please do so if you think it might help. Regards, Douglas. P.S. to last e-mail: Just a small point - my position is 'Party Secretary'....... not 'General Secretary' - which is Geoffrey Kingscott. Although I am theoretically responsible for the election campaign constitutionally; the job of organising the election is a full-time one which I could not possibly carry out so has been officially delegated (and agreed by the NEC) to the General Secretary, Geoffrey Kingscott who would be interested in your comments too. Actually, as he is organising the election and is responsible for it with his delegated powers, your request is more properly in his domain. You might like to repeat your concerns to him. His e-mail is:- Kingscott Geoffrey (GENERAL ... E-mail Address: gensec@ukip.org Personal Information: Address: Geoffrey Kingscott General Secretary UK Independence Party PO Box 408 Newton Abbot TQ12 9BG Phone: 0800 5 876 587

17-08-2006, 02:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,409	Someone made an error I think and banned/blocked me. Anyway,I was not able to get into this Forum for quite a while. Still having problems though and cant get to read any PMs I get. Kind of stange eh? By the way,are those who are supporting Suchorzewski on here doing so with his full agreement,blessing and knowledge? I ask because this Candidate says very little about everything. Perhaps Sucherzewski can get one of you to also explain for him how he came to use the so called Cabal Leader Nigel Farage to Second him for the UKIP NEC Elections? Unless there is a language problem then saying that there is no cabalistic connection between Farage and Suchorzewski seems imposible to believe. Anyway,as you new cabalistas know well,David Campbell Bannerman and Del continue to forge ahead of all others. Don't forget to let us know if Suchorzewski drops out anytime soon guys. :wink: