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Old 09-08-2006, 07:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Apart form my repeated assertion that our Party Secretary should NOT enter the fray in discussions of a critical nature of UKIP I have a level of understanding for his view that that while UKIP is not perfect it is all we have and we should all desist for criticising it and make do with what we have.I'm also well aware of the advantages of unity for a political party.
However having said that I will so long as UKIP exists continue to criticise it openly because with UKIP things were meant to be so different and I feel very disappointed that UKIP is so ineffective and I'm simply not prepared to accept UKIP as just another Party.
I will not list the problems UKIP has had since its birth but they have been many and it is clearly not only I who is dissappointed but literally 1000's of UKIP members who have left the Party. What achievements can UKIP actually claim in its 10 year life? Our key problem has been one of LEADERSHIP with our main asset our MEP's all wasting their time in Brussels rather than campaigning in this Country.
The old guard have had their day UKIP's only hope is a new Leader with a new vision and for me that man is Richard Suchorzewski.
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However having said that I will so long as UKIP exists continue to criticise it openly because with UKIP things were meant to be so different and I feel very disappointed that UKIP is so ineffective...
Things were "meant to be so different" and you are "disappointed", but should we not take collective blame for deficiencies, acknowledge that getting the public interested and switched on has simply been very very difficult, and give credit to all who have stuck it out trying to make something happen year in year out against the odds.
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You are so right .One new leader doesn't make a party,but the wrong choice could destroy it.I'm for the brand leader Nigel.
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You are so right .One new leader doesn't make a party,but the wrong choice could destroy it.I'm for the brand leader Nigel.
Many brand leaders have made serious errors of jugment by ignoring the flaws within, the most recent being Cadbury's on a matter of hygiene, similarly with Perrier water - who never recovered their market - and famously Smiths Crisps who failed to recognize what the public wanted and their customers and market went elsewhere.

Even BA, as market leader, got it wrong so often, from Freddie Laker to Easyjet and Ryanair - arrogance when market leader often gets repaid. ie the hustings in this context for one and failure to carry the 'Brand' of UKIP into the UK marketplace, i.e. in the 2005 GE and Bromley byelection, are amongst Nigel's failings.
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However having said that I will so long as UKIP exists continue to criticise it openly because with UKIP things were meant to be so different and I feel very disappointed that UKIP is so ineffective...
Things were "meant to be so different" and you are "disappointed", but should we not take collective blame for deficiencies, acknowledge that getting the public interested and switched on has simply been very very difficult, and give credit to all who have stuck it out trying to make something happen year in year out against the odds.
Most definately NOT. A poor worker blames his tools, a bad general blames his men and you suggest the UKIP leadership can blame us loyal members. NO sir the UKIP leadership and heirarchy are total to blame for the lack of UKIP's performance over the years - loosing members and donors and failing to attract more people to our just cause. If the UKIP Leader and MEP's spent as much time in this country trying to get noticed as they do in Brussels picking up their expenses we might be doing better.
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This is definately a problem with leadership. How much more enthusiastic could the members be? We can compete in terms of canvassers with almost any party, particularly when it comes to by-elections.

The problem is that this energy is undirected, few policy ideas come from above, few initiatives show us footsloggers the direction to go in.

You say that Nigel is the one for the party? Well he has been quite enthusastic, that is true, but there isn't much else that he can do, he will be spending much of his time in Sprout, and putting people in charge of specific things meaning, still no change and no central leadership.

Nigel is the candidate to go for if you want to stay as we are. If you like that, great, I am sure the other parties will be relieved.

Richard Suchorzewski is about the only person among them who will make any *positive* difference to the party. He has a lot of time, energy, ability which he can put to the party and he is in my opinion the best candidate.
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Here here Peacehammer who so ever you are??!!
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