Big Three Missing the Point

gimlet · 09-08-2006, 04:53 PM

UKIP Press Release:

Quote:

'Big Three': Missing the point

09-08-2006

The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats have "missed the point" in their debates about proportionality.

Roger Knapman, leader of the UK Independence Party, today (7.8.06) spoke out against the argument that the Israeli attacks on Hezbollah are disproportionate.

"We all want peace in the Middle East," said Mr Knapman. "However, we mustn't think in terms of Israel taking on the Lebanon, but of Israel taking on a terrorist group whose aim is to destroy them..."

"Let us not forget that Hezbollah are firing Iranian missiles at Israeli civilians and that Iran's conservative president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said that Israel must be "wiped off the map"."

The three political parties have all stated that they think the attacks by Israel are disproportionate in terms of the initial offence, which was the capture and imprisonment of Israeli soldiers.

"What is disproportionate" continued Mr Knapman, "is the criticism of the Israel counter attack. As stated in the United Nations Charter, nothing impairs the inherent right of a nation state to defend themselves if an armed attack occurs."

"What could be more threatening to a country than its neighbours publicly announcing they want that country destroyed?" he added.

Notes:

Iranian comments about Israel: http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php
Hezbollah are firing two kinds of rocket at Israel:
Fajr - 3s with a range of 25 miles
Fajr - 5s with a range of 45 miles
They also have Zelzal-2 with a range of 160 miles which they are waiting on authority to fire from Iran/Syria

Article 51 of the UN Charter
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

mkpdavies · 09-08-2006, 04:56 PM

Oh so UKIP are on Israels side now.

Where did he pull that from? His ****?

Glad he is gone soon.

Anthony Butcher · 09-08-2006, 04:58 PM

UKIP Friends of Israel will be pleased

mkpdavies · 09-08-2006, 05:00 PM

UKIP friends of Palestine won't. :evil:

Neither will people like me, friends of not taking sides in a crappy situation. :evil:

Lawrie Boxall · 09-08-2006, 05:07 PM

Knapman misses the point - absolutely dreadfull. How wrong can you get - how out of touch can you get. It is a disgrace to have a man like this as leader of UKIP. Even for 2 more months it is unbearable. I am so glad I am no longer associated with people who hold these views

mkpdavies · 09-08-2006, 05:10 PM

What is this release supposed to acheive?

Looks like one last party shot to make us look bad to me.

Worst press release ever.

mkpdavies · 09-08-2006, 05:11 PM

Also don't forget that in London all 4 potential UKIP leaders, said that Israel had gone overboard in their response.

How can you even begin to justify this release with that in mind?

Crazy.

BASILDON BOY · 09-08-2006, 05:12 PM

Perhaps he has some jons lined up for all the Labanese refugees coming over? Apparently they are cheaper to employ than Poles?

kedlo · 09-08-2006, 05:35 PM

All of the television about the conflict had led me to believe that isreal were the horrible evil ones and that they were disprortionate in there attacks. However, after reading a small article in the Sun newspaper, i learnt that Hesbola had in fact been firing a large number of rockets into isreal, into civilian areas, and that it was only because hesbolas weapons were so poor that not more isrealie civillians were killed. So if you look at it from this viewpoint, isreals reaction seems very sensible.

gimlet · 09-08-2006, 05:35 PM

Likewise I am appalled at this release - it does not represent the views of the members I know.

09-08-2006, 04:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Oh so UKIP are on Israels side now. Where did he pull that from? His ****? Glad he is gone soon. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-08-2006, 05:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	UKIP friends of Palestine won't. :evil: Neither will people like me, friends of not taking sides in a crappy situation. :evil: __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-08-2006, 05:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	What is this release supposed to acheive? Looks like one last party shot to make us look bad to me. Worst press release ever. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-08-2006, 05:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Also don't forget that in London all 4 potential UKIP leaders, said that Israel had gone overboard in their response. How can you even begin to justify this release with that in mind? Crazy. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-08-2006, 05:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
kedlo Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 68	The media swayed my opinion All of the television about the conflict had led me to believe that isreal were the horrible evil ones and that they were disprortionate in there attacks. However, after reading a small article in the Sun newspaper, i learnt that Hesbola had in fact been firing a large number of rockets into isreal, into civilian areas, and that it was only because hesbolas weapons were so poor that not more isrealie civillians were killed. So if you look at it from this viewpoint, isreals reaction seems very sensible.

09-08-2006, 04:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,425 Party: None	UKIP Friends of Israel will be pleased

09-08-2006, 05:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 989	Knapman misses the point - absolutely dreadfull. How wrong can you get - how out of touch can you get. It is a disgrace to have a man like this as leader of UKIP. Even for 2 more months it is unbearable. I am so glad I am no longer associated with people who hold these views

09-08-2006, 05:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,678	Perhaps he has some jons lined up for all the Labanese refugees coming over? Apparently they are cheaper to employ than Poles?

09-08-2006, 05:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 797	Likewise I am appalled at this release - it does not represent the views of the members I know.

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