UKIP should oppose stem cell research

Biscuitman · 24-07-2006, 08:44 PM

the Pro-life people polled a shed load of votes in the last EU elections - plus there are the catholic & christian, (there is a difference), waiverers who vote for other parties.

The classic definition of marketing is to produce to meet a demand.

This is 100% wrong.

The correct definition is to exploit a demand for a profit.

Exploit this one Mark by rolling out a policy statement that UKIP are against stem cell research:-

Quote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5209106.stm

EU to fund embryo cell research

Ministers from European Union member states have agreed to continue funding research on embryonic stem cells.
Some countries oppose the research, but scientists say the cells are the key to treating diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

Last week US President George W Bush used his veto for the first time to limit federal funding for the research.

The EU ministers agreed not to fund activities that destroyed human embryos but said other research could continue.

European Commissioner for Science and Research Janez Potocnik said the EU would not finance the "procurement" of embryonic stem cells - a process which results in the death of the embryo - but it would finance the "subsequent steps" to make use of the cells.

Stem cells are able to turn themselves into any other type of cell in the body, and it is hoped therefore that they can be used to repair parts of the body or develop new drugs.

Conserving life

The cells are removed from human embryos left over from fertility treatment and earmarked for disposal.

Five countries voted against the decision - Austria, Lithuania, Malta, Poland and Slovakia.

Germany, Italy and Slovenia were won over by the decision not to fund activities causing the destruction of embryos.

"We must conserve human life from its conception. We want no financial incentives to kill embryos," German Research Minister Annette Schavan had told fellow ministers earlier in the day.

Together the eight countries could have blocked adoption of the EU's 54bn euro (£37bn) research budget for 2007-13, of which stem cell research forms a very small part.

Mr Potocnik said the agreement reflected the EU's existing practice, as no researchers planning to engage in procurement of stem cells had ever sought EU funds.

"We clarified what actually we do and we committed ourselves to continue in that direction also in the future," he said.

A spokeswoman for Europabio, which represents European biotech companies, said the industry was happy with the outcome

Adult cells

Some of the countries which oppose stem cell research are influenced by Roman Catholic teaching.

In Germany, memories are coloured by Nazi experiments during World War II.

Belgium, Spain, Sweden and the UK are among the most enthusiastic backers in Europe of stem cell research.

In practice, most European stem cell research is funded at national, rather than European level, and uses adult rather than embryonic stem cells.

"Really nothing has changed," said Irish Enterprise Minister Micheal Martin.

Portuguese Minister Jose Mariano Gago said: "We must avoid a situation where our scientists emigrate to other countries."

The European Parliament must agree to the ministers' compromise, but Mr Potocnik said he thought it would not be a problem.

mkpdavies · 24-07-2006, 08:49 PM

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Exploit this one Mark by rolling out a policy statement that UKIP are against stem cell research:-

Errr, they had better not.

The Christian wing might love it, but I doubt the rest of the party will.

Biscuitman · 24-07-2006, 08:54 PM

Who cares Matt - we need to satrt being nasty and start grabbing votes where we can get em

Christina · 24-07-2006, 08:56 PM

Not every Christian would. In the Old Testament the penalty for causing a miscarriage by bumping into a pregnant woman, was not the penalty for murder or for manslaughter. It was a compensation payment.

mkpdavies · 24-07-2006, 08:58 PM

This will not get us many votes. It will make us look like GW Bush syle religious fruitcakes.

By all means issue a press release that UKIP believes the people should decide on these issues, via referendum, but to say the party is against it would be untrue as they haven't even asked the membership.

If you believe th country at large would vote against it (I doubt that most people could care less), then putting it to referendum could achieve your objective anyway.

Christina · 24-07-2006, 09:02 PM

Another way to obtain stem cells is to get them from the umbilical cord at birth. It has to be frozen straight after birth. UKIP could propose that, and be seen as forward thinking and also avoiding supporting using tissues from embryos.

Biscuitman · 24-07-2006, 09:04 PM

See - got ya all creating policy - go for it 'Tina.

mkpdavies · 24-07-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Christina

Another way to obtain stem cells is to get them from the umbilical cord at birth. It has to be frozen straight after birth. UKIP could propose that, and be seen as forward thinking and also avoiding supporting using tissues from embryos.

As long as they are of the same use and quality, then I'd go for that. Though I question why it isn't already the case if so.

mkpdavies · 24-07-2006, 09:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Vs5...h=stem%20cells

Richard Allen · 24-07-2006, 09:27 PM

Personally I would be quite happy for UKIP to opose stem cell research (although I am an agnostic I have very serious doubts about the ethics of this kind of research) but I doubt it would be a popular approach and we need to make policy in a much more considered manor.

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Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	Who cares Matt - we need to satrt being nasty and start grabbing votes where we can get em __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,053 Party: Libertarian Party	This will not get us many votes. It will make us look like GW Bush syle religious fruitcakes. By all means issue a press release that UKIP believes the people should decide on these issues, via referendum, but to say the party is against it would be untrue as they haven't even asked the membership. If you believe th country at large would vote against it (I doubt that most people could care less), then putting it to referendum could achieve your objective anyway. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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24-07-2006, 08:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	Not every Christian would. In the Old Testament the penalty for causing a miscarriage by bumping into a pregnant woman, was not the penalty for murder or for manslaughter. It was a compensation payment.

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Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	Another way to obtain stem cells is to get them from the umbilical cord at birth. It has to be frozen straight after birth. UKIP could propose that, and be seen as forward thinking and also avoiding supporting using tissues from embryos.

24-07-2006, 09:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Richard Allen Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 571	Personally I would be quite happy for UKIP to opose stem cell research (although I am an agnostic I have very serious doubts about the ethics of this kind of research) but I doubt it would be a popular approach and we need to make policy in a much more considered manor.