Mikeuk

'Unfortunate'; is that what you call it?

I would call it a thundering disgrace; yet another war crime committed by the Israeli military.

The UN observers were unarmed. They had no power to stop Hizbollah's activities

If it weren't for US support the Israelis wouldn't be swaggering around like a bunch of tinpot Nazis. In fact they'd be the ones calling for a ceasefire and begging the UN to assist.

We need a world solution to this problem but as long as the US megalomaniacs hold the world stage it's impossible for men and women of goodwill to act.

I look forward eagerly to the day when China becomes the world's leading superpower and ends the arrogant and tyrannical American power monopoly.

I hope I live to see it.

GAriss

The Palestinians are not a defined people or culture, they are themselves nothing more than settlers. They have fewer rights to Israel than the Boer's have to South Africa. If the Arab league had won the war they started in 1948 (long before Israel had US support) then yes they would have had a just victory. However they lost against an inferior Israel. They then choose to take sides with the Soviet Union and lost again and again.

Below are a few facts for Oswald sorry UKpatriot

Did the Palestinians leadership side with Hitler in 1941: Yes

Did Britain in 1945 choose to tell anybody it was developing the atom bomb: No (so why should have Israel)

Is Israel threatening the destruction of any of its neighbours: No

Is Israel attacked when it withdraws from occupied territory: Yes

Do Arabs live freely in Israel, vote and serve in her army: Yes

Do Israel and Egypt co-Exist in harmony following the Camp David agreement:Yes

Could the rest of the Arab world do this: Yes

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GAriss

For MikeUk, it is no more unfortunate than when an RAF Bucaneer took an Iraqi Market square when trying to destroy a bridge with a lazer guided bomb in the first Gulf War.

Israel won the 6 day war in 67 without American assistance. (British tanks and French aircraft)

Ask the Taiwanese what thery think about a Chinese superpower, I think you will find they don't find them half as cuddly as you do.

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Mikeuk

The UN Secretary-General, the Irish Foreign Minister and many others believe that the post was deliberately and maliciously targeted, but of course you know better.

What the Taiwanese think is neither here nor there. China is going to be the dominant superpower of the 21st century.

GAriss

Yes I probably do as a matter of fact.

If Israel honestly wanted to take that post out they wouldn't have spent whole day shelling the hill and then called in an air strike with a load of smoke obscuring the target, they would have taken it out at night with a guided weapon in one strike.

It was my job to know and understand these things.

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Mikeuk

Oh really? Do tell us more.

We already have one regular MI5/007/Special Forces contributor on this forum but there's plenty of room for more.

GAriss

I suggest that you instead explain to us how the actions of the IDF in the engagements leading up to their destruction of the UN Observation Post demonstrates a deliberate targeting of that position.

Yes they f**ked up, using a fast Jet to engage targets close to a UN position following a prolonged bombardment with artillery which would probably have obscured the intended target with smoke was a bad decision. This question that will have to be answered by the IDF investigation that has been ordered as will also be, was the Laser guided bomb taken off target by the smoke (As happened to the RAF Buccaneer’s weapon during the first Gulf war as I mentioned earlier)? Or did the Pilot misinterpret his instructions and target the building in error (As happened to the F14 that nearly killed BBC John Simpson in the second Gulf War)?

I cannot understand how you can honestly rationalise in your mind that the IDF would occupy a battery155mm self-propelled guns for a whole day with the task of deliberately just missing a big white building on a hill. These guns and their crews are a rare and expensive resource for any army, they pride themselves in being able to direct their fire down to the metre, if the Observation Post had been the target they would have destroyed it with the first few rounds and moved on to the next target.

Instead are you still going to hide behind the posturing of politicians trying to justify to the electorate why they have allowed their armed forces to be sent as unarmed observers into a war zone; so allowing Hezbollah to turn them into nothing more than human shields for their activities.

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ukpatriot

The Palestinians have been there for centuries and longer; it is their country and their land. I know that some Israelis refuse to accept this, because it inconveniently clashes with their belief that Greater Israel is theirs by right, but there you go.

Let's look at these questions shall we?

No. 1 is irrelevant.

No. 2 is distorted and childish. Britain hads nuclear5 weapons and has signed treaties governing their use, Israel has not. India, China and Pakistan have signed these treaties, everyone knows Israel has WMDs so your question is irrelevant, sorry.

3:Israel has threatened to destroy Lebanon and is doing it at this very moment. It has destroyed the Palestinian economy and denies, through illegal occupation of the West Bank and the stranglehold it has on Gaza, the right of the Palestinians to their own nation. So your question 3 is silly isn't it?

4:Israel illegally occupies the West Bank so it can be suggested that it is a legitimate target for resistance movements, as the Nazis were throughout Europe from 1939 to 1945. Or are you going to claim that the various heroic resistance mobvements were terrorists? No, I thought not.

Yes the rest of the Arab world could live in peace with Israel, just so long as it accepts Israel's annexation of the West Bank. Then there is the issue of the right wing fundamentalists in Israel who would like to have Jordan as well... should we give this up to them?

Accept it; Israel is the troublemaker in the Middle East and needs to be reined in and pulled down a few rungs.

ukpatriot

What was your job then?

You've made a claim, now you should back it up with supporting evidence.

ukpatriot

[quote="Mikeuk"]Yes and then there is necon who claims to be a regular visitor to Israel but who has probably never set foot in the place.

I do enjoy reading the posts from Agent X or whatever he calls himself; they are really good for a laugh.