Aardvark

Israel has targetted a UN site killing four peace monitors. They are saying it is an accident, but actually with modern targetting it is near impossible to blow up a building that you haven't pre-targetted.

Israel has both airborne and ground based forward air controllers and artillery controllers. They have blown up a UN post deliberately.

mkpdavies

Why would they do that?

I am more inclined to believe that either

a) Their intelligence was wrong.
b) Their precision weapons are not so precision.
or
c) A total **** up occured.

When you fling the amount of bombs around they they are, you WILL hit things other than the targets.

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Mikeuk

The UN seem pretty certain about it. No doubt the Israeli stormtroopers have long seen these peace observers as interfering pests ripe for extermination.

Now they've done it.

It is utterly beyond me why there are so many apologists for Israeli aggression.

These maniacs are going to drag us into WW III

GAriss

Most likely a simply be an f**k up, as with any friendly fire incident.

It could also be Israel sending a message to the UN troops not to get involved. Remember that most of these troops are not of the same quality as the UK forces. We saw in the Civil War in Yugoslavia that it is sometimes very hard for the peacekeepers to not get involved. It is quite possible that some of the UN forces have been assisting the resistance in Lebanon.

I do have as a friend a retired Lieutenant Colonel in the Finish Army who served many years in the Lebanon, including during the 82 invasion. He tells me he found it very hard not to take sides.

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Mikeuk

Nothing remotely 'friendly'about this war crime.

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1088912006

The rest of the world is united in condemnation of Israeli aggression, but Britain remains out of step. We're still right up Bush's backside.

It's time for overwhelming popular opinion in the UK to sweep aside the US puppets who control the British establishment and bring out country into line with the rest of humanity.

BASILDON BOY

Mike that will never happen with Labour and the Tories sucking up to Bush - best front page was on the Independent which had the flags of every country opposed to Israels actions on one side - and just UK, USA and Israel on the other side!

Lebanon was starting to become a Middle East success story - it had poured billions into rebuilding its country - its tourist industry was improving - it was starting to become a proper country.

The most surprising thing was the number of foreigners now working/living/on holiday in Lebanon - including 20,000 Americans!

And this from a country that a foreign national would have been kidnapped just a short time ago!

And now it has been bombed back a decade or more!

It will just create another generation of suicide bombers and terrorists.

Mikeuk

Too true BB. It's appalling what has been going on.

I can't understand why Bush has this control over Blair. I sometimes wonder if he/CIA has some dirt on the man.

The Tories, of course, are even worse.

ukpatriot

The Israelis are responsible for this business in its entirety. Their treatment of the Arabs and Palestinians since before 1939 has brought about organisations such as Hizbollah. If Israel had not treated the Palestinians so badly organisations such as Hiz, Hamas etc would not exist. As it is with every new Israeli atrocity recruits flood into these organisations, which are admired for their determination to stand up to Israeli aggression.

Ask yourselves this. Who has more right to be in Palestine? Arabs whose families have been there for centuries and centuries, or a load of Russian, European and American Jews who have no ancestral tie to Palestine?

As for the Lebanese, I too feel immensely sorry for them being attacked by Israel. They have not the means to fight back against a heavily armed country which is backed to the hilt by the USA.

We should be ashamed of ourselves, siding with Israel and the USA when every consideration tells us we should be condemning Israel from the rooftops.

GAriss

I think people are losing touch with reality over this.

If Lebanon was such a success story why did it not use its army to stop a foreign sponsored terrorist organisation firing rockets at its neighbour Israel and as demanded by the UN. These rockets are fragmentation weapons fired into civilian areas, they were designed by the cuddly Soviet Union not to kill but horrible mutilate infantry. No country, least of all democratic country such as Israel can tolerate such attacks on its citizens.

It is also unfortunate that UN observers were killed yesterday, however there is no evidence to support that they were directly targeted. The UN tolerates Hezbollah setting up Rocket and Sniper positions next to their observation posts and refugee camps. Because of this they will get caught in the Cross Fire.

It is awful what continues in the Middle East, however the Arab nations choose to resolve the formation of the state of Israel in 1948 by war. They lost that war, they lost again in 56, 67, 74 and 82, and it is time for the Arab nations to accept the state of Israel. Yes they have lost territory, but so did Germany in 1945, and like Germany they need to draw a line in their history and take advantage of having a successful prosperous neighbour like Israel to do business with.

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ukpatriot

Considering that Lebanon was in the grip of a crushing civil war for nearly two decades it has done very well to recover as it did... not helped by Israel which inflamed the situation more than once.

Israel cannot be compared to Germany in 1945. Israel is a country of settlers, nearly all Israelis are foreign, ie not from Palestine. And why shopuld the Arabs lose their land, after centuries, to a load of racist settlers who treat them abysmally? Also, don't forget that Israel has WMD without signing treaties governing their use.

In any event times have changed and we no loonger go about grabbing territory wherever it suits us. Israel wants to keep the West Bank, and would sieze Gaza at a stroke if it thought it could gat away with it. Same goes for Jordan, which the religious loonies in Israel think is theirs according to God... the person they think made them the 'Chosen People'.

Unfortunately for these fundamentalists, the facts are that Palestinians had been around there for centuries and the land is more theirs by right than iot is a load of Europeans, Russians and Yanks.

No, Israel will eventually have to move back to behind the 1967 borders.

We don't want to go into WW3 because of Israeli aggression. Hamas has implicitly accepted Israel's existence, but behind the green line, and credit to Hamas for that. They are noe the democratically elected rulers of the PA and Israel must wake up and accept that... as must the EU and USA.