Nigels site decides Domestic policy is important afterall.

SponPlague · 23-07-2006, 11:43 AM

Web addresses won't be listed in Independence news, so unless members vivit ukip org an look carefully, or candidates have specified them on their addresses...

mkpdavies · 23-07-2006, 11:57 AM

The addresses had better have them in then!

Mind that's no guarantee they will be printed. :evil:

Bluemerle · 23-07-2006, 12:03 PM

What are they playing at, the web addresses are a must for people to see what they candidates are promising :evil:

I wonder if they will get the Independence News out in time :roll:

prober · 23-07-2006, 03:15 PM

It is gratifying that Nigel has now recognized the need to get serious on UK domestics and apply his "big picture" view in a concise summary of it. However there is a lot more to making an impact at local elections than implied by Nigel ... its not an annual "Somme" type blast in the UKIP tradition. The starting point is the almost complete lack of interest until now by the UKIP leadership as a whole in making UKIP a credible influencer in regional assemblies regional government and local government issues, and members are almost completely ignorant on how the system works and how to influence it.

However beyond all this is the elephant in the room that under Nigel's view we are amazingly stuck in the "dont mention the EU" approach to local/regional matters combined with a traditional UKIP big picture pro democracy position detached from local government mechanics.

As UKIP has abandoned trying to educate the public on the EU since 2004 and a generation is growing up which wonders therefore what all the fuss is about. Opinion polls are showing increasing approval of the EU and total unawareness of what is bad. UKIP is abandoning and failing in its core purpose.

If it fails in its primary reason for being what confidence can we have in a new domestic stragey wheeze ?

It is obvious that the staring point to show that UKIP is serious in a distinctive approach to local/regional matters is to produce a pack of material for branch use explaining for EACH each key aspect of local and regional government and its financing ( eg housing policy) how the EU is allowed by government and opposition to dominate it, imposes huge costs and prevent local democracy being exerted and what UKIP councillors would do to counteract it if elected.

This does not replace anything else Nigel has in mind but is an essential start point to prove to members it is not just ANOTHER short term puff ( like the petition for a referendum on out which had no case making leaflet to back it up showing the problem and how UKIP is the solution )

If UKIP cant or wont do that, and clutches atb straws while abanding trying to reverse the EU , we might as well save energy, not stand in local elections, and stop pretending we have anything substansive to offer the electorate which other parties dont.

Lokking a past historuy of events in UKIP , good luck to Nigel on this, but he has a lot of to do to show members he is serious about UKIP making an impact on regional/local government and being electable.

Britannist · 23-07-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I don't imagine DCB is getting any - his website has been down for the last 24 hours.

If it's still down - people can read his policy statement in the 'Easy Guide to the four candidates' thread in this section which is a week old.

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23-07-2006, 11:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,123	Web addresses won't be listed in Independence news, so unless members vivit ukip org an look carefully, or candidates have specified them on their addresses...

23-07-2006, 12:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	What are they playing at, the web addresses are a must for people to see what they candidates are promising :evil: I wonder if they will get the Independence News out in time :roll:

23-07-2006, 03:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 854	It is gratifying that Nigel has now recognized the need to get serious on UK domestics and apply his "big picture" view in a concise summary of it. However there is a lot more to making an impact at local elections than implied by Nigel ... its not an annual "Somme" type blast in the UKIP tradition. The starting point is the almost complete lack of interest until now by the UKIP leadership as a whole in making UKIP a credible influencer in regional assemblies regional government and local government issues, and members are almost completely ignorant on how the system works and how to influence it. However beyond all this is the elephant in the room that under Nigel's view we are amazingly stuck in the "dont mention the EU" approach to local/regional matters combined with a traditional UKIP big picture pro democracy position detached from local government mechanics. As UKIP has abandoned trying to educate the public on the EU since 2004 and a generation is growing up which wonders therefore what all the fuss is about. Opinion polls are showing increasing approval of the EU and total unawareness of what is bad. UKIP is abandoning and failing in its core purpose. If it fails in its primary reason for being what confidence can we have in a new domestic stragey wheeze ? It is obvious that the staring point to show that UKIP is serious in a distinctive approach to local/regional matters is to produce a pack of material for branch use explaining for EACH each key aspect of local and regional government and its financing ( eg housing policy) how the EU is allowed by government and opposition to dominate it, imposes huge costs and prevent local democracy being exerted and what UKIP councillors would do to counteract it if elected. This does not replace anything else Nigel has in mind but is an essential start point to prove to members it is not just ANOTHER short term puff ( like the petition for a referendum on out which had no case making leaflet to back it up showing the problem and how UKIP is the solution ) If UKIP cant or wont do that, and clutches atb straws while abanding trying to reverse the EU , we might as well save energy, not stand in local elections, and stop pretending we have anything substansive to offer the electorate which other parties dont. Lokking a past historuy of events in UKIP , good luck to Nigel on this, but he has a lot of to do to show members he is serious about UKIP making an impact on regional/local government and being electable.