Why I can't vote for DCB

John Page · 20-07-2006, 08:43 PM

Coming back to the title of this thread which I started - about why I can't vote for DCB - I notice only one of my points of substance has been mentioned even though I wrote several pages.

So here's the first page

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Should David Campbell Bannerman be the next leader of UKIP? This is the pitch of his website. At 24 Acrobat pages it is long, so we shall not be summarising it, but commenting on various aspects.

Our conclusion is that David Campbell Bannerman should be a member of any leadership team, and should be the second choice in the leadership election, behind Richard Suchorzewski, and ahead of Nigel Farage or David Noakes. Either of them would spell the beginning of the end for UKIP - under Nigel Farage continuing gradual decline, with probably a faster collapse under David Noakes.

David Campbell Bannerman's manifesto shows signs of being stitched together from various sources. Sometimes he talks in the first person, sometimes in the third, referring to himself as David, or Campbell Bannerman.

David Campbell Bannerman states that he will work with Nigel Farage, but rightly declares early in his manifesto that

"The lesson of the Bromley by-election and our 8% vote is that despite an excellent candidate, generous spending and really hard work on the ground, the party still has a long way to go to connect successfully with the British public."

Bromley was of course Nigel Farage's big project. We agree with David Campbell Bannerman that the result shows Nigel Farage's strategy was fatally flawed.

There has been some debate within UKIP about David Campbell Bannerman's name and his relationship to Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman, who was briefly Prime Minister early in the last century. His manifesto describes him as a distant relative; the UKIP press release announcing his appointment as chairman described him as Sir Henry's great nephew:

"David Campbell Bannerman, great nephew of former Liberal Prime Minister, Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman, has officially taken up his post as Chairman of the UK Independence Party (UKIP), on the 100th anniversary of Campbell Bannerman's landslide election win in January 1906."

We don't consider the relationship of any importance.

Apparently UKIP members across the UK tell David Campbell Bannerman that the next leader will need

"evidence of high-level political skills, judgement and experience within Government, in larger parties, in real policy making, in fighting elections and in creating, communicating and delivering strategy in business and politics."

That's quite a specification for UKIP members across the UK to come up with. Evidently they don't think anyone without major party experience could cut the mustard as leader. Hard luck to long term UKIP loyalists then.

David Campbell Bannerman says he would work side by side with Nigel Farage, asking him to carry on his media and campaigning work unchanged. (Though read on and it's clear there would be change aplenty.) He adds - not cut him out as others suggest. Who are these others who want to cut him out?

Notice that

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The lesson of the Bromley by-election and our 8% vote is that despite an excellent candidate, generous spending and really hard work on the ground, the party still has a long way to go to connect successfully with the British public.

This is as strong a criticism of Nigel Farage's strategy and performance as I've seen.

Easy bedfellows? I don't think so.

C_steam · 20-07-2006, 08:43 PM

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I will certainly not try to have anyone banned from your Forum for stating their case

what on earth are you on about?

Ted Bovis · 20-07-2006, 09:22 PM

John, I'm sure you also have opinions on medical proceedures and the state of the NHS, but there is no way I would let you operate on me.

I have read your blog, and I'll not be taking your advice on political matters either.

I will be voting for DCB, however, who is a political animal.

C_steam · 20-07-2006, 09:25 PM

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who is a political animal

Ah! that accounts for his success in the conservatives then.

Christina · 20-07-2006, 09:28 PM

Yes he was a Conservative councillor for 4 years. Has Richard ever been a councillor, MP etc?

We worked on the Good Friday agreement too with the Government. No 10 stuff.

progcon.org · 20-07-2006, 09:32 PM

Anthony fibbed:

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Richard has answered all of the questions sent to him, even those by Chad I believe, although I don't recall seeing the answers posted on the forum.

Um, that statement would only be true if it read:
Richard has answered none of the questions by Chad

He has not given me one single answer to my direct point-by-point questions.

If he had, I would have published them like DCB's.

So for the record again:

1: UKIP Wales membership: What are the figures for membership of ukip
wales and how has this changed since you became chairman?

2: Do you support spinning of the 'eu pressure group' part of UKIP from
the political party?

3: You prominently pledge that you will be naming a shadow cabinet,
will
this be a full cabinet? Are you sure you have the people with the
relevant
direct level of experience in each field to fill a whole cabinet?

Do you have someone with the relevant experience to comment on the
current
energy review, and if so, what is their experience?

Do you have someone with the relevant environmental experience?

4: Do you support privatisation of the BBC?

5: Do you support redistribution of wealth?

6: Do you support a "No Preference, No Prejudice" approach to policy so
that no policy proposal will offer any preference or prejudice based on
age, race, religion, sex or sexuality?

7: Will you pledge to reject any future entitlement to state funding of
political parties?

8: Do you support the open primary method to select parliamentary
candidates?

9: Will UKIP under your leadership contest every seat at the next
general
election?

10: Do you support more grammar schools?

Christina · 20-07-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by progcon.org

Anthony fibbed:

Quote:

Richard has answered all of the questions sent to him, even those by Chad I believe, although I don't recall seeing the answers posted on the forum.

Um, that statement would only be true if it read:
Richard has answered none of the questions by Chad

He has not given me one single answer to my direct point-by-point questions.

If he had, I would have published them like DCB's.

Thought so. If Harty is getting stick for so-called fibbing, what about you Anthony?

progcon.org · 20-07-2006, 09:36 PM

What's amusing is that Anthony here (check back) was the person who pledged to publish the results for Richard so it is a little amusing when he notes that he "can't recall" seeing the replies.

That's because you didn't post any!

Naughty Anthony, caught fibbing!

Mr Grumpy wrote:

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Easy bedfellows? I don't think so.

How does that fit with this quote from DCB today:
"I would be happy to work with Nigel, in either capacity "

Answer, um, it doesn't! In fact that is exactly the conclusion that many of us came to, that the failure in Bromley was squarely down to UKIP and its narrow message, because it had every other box firmly ticked in Bromley so there was no excuse. UKIP needs to change. We all know that.

Christina · 20-07-2006, 09:46 PM

From John Page

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That's quite a specification for UKIP members across the UK to come up with. Evidently they don't think anyone without major party experience could cut the mustard as leader. Hard luck to long term UKIP loyalists then.

Says it all really.

He seems to want UKIP to remain amateurish and thinks loyalty to UKIP is the best criteria. Sorry, but the interests of the UK are first and we need high-calibre people instead of risking future obscurity by well-meaing loyalists. Kudos for loyalty. I admire Matt Davies for his work even though he has been spat at, for example.

Christina · 20-07-2006, 09:47 PM

Also, the public won't vote to get out of the EU, if the party advocating it are not capable of running this country. DCB is capable.

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20-07-2006, 09:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
Ted Bovis Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 112	John, I'm sure you also have opinions on medical proceedures and the state of the NHS, but there is no way I would let you operate on me. I have read your blog, and I'll not be taking your advice on political matters either. I will be voting for DCB, however, who is a political animal.

20-07-2006, 09:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	Yes he was a Conservative councillor for 4 years. Has Richard ever been a councillor, MP etc? We worked on the Good Friday agreement too with the Government. No 10 stuff.

20-07-2006, 09:47 PM	#30 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	Also, the public won't vote to get out of the EU, if the party advocating it are not capable of running this country. DCB is capable.