Any chance of comparing policies not conspiracies?

progcon.org · 16-07-2006, 01:57 PM

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It is totaly ridiculous asking people to answer questions on Richards personal beliefs on specific policy issues.

It is totally ridiculous to ask people who claim to have heard him speak, to know him, to work with him on his campaign what his views on policy direction are?

:shock:

Virtually all the parties much smaller than UKIP have full and clearly defined policy agendas to cover the range of key policy areas.

Now we have one of Richard's key supporters and campaign team, Anthony, trying to find excuses why UKIP, should also not have a full manifesto framework when his reason for supporting Richard is because he wants to make UKIP a rounded party.

Play the game I want? You mean ask a leadership candidate or his supporters what he stands for? Eek, I'm a right trouble maker, demanding far too much!

I'm not having a hissy fit, I am just trying and failing to get those of you who are supporting Richard based on 'knowing him' etc, what his views are.

You've told me you know the man, but don't want to share his views, if he has any.

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ASK HIM!

I did and he ignored me!

Anthony Butcher · 16-07-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by progcon.org

Now we have one of Richard's key supporters and campaign team, Anthony, trying to find excuses why UKIP, should also not have a full manifesto when his reason for supporting Richard is because he wants to make UKIP a rounded party.

Will you please read what is written, not just skim read and then use it to attack.

What I said was "Policy is meaningless at this point". Does anyone care or vote for the Green policy on the NHS? Of course not. We need a brand and a core philosophy first, and then the policies will be created afterwards to promote that brand and philosophy. DCB has it the wrong way round.

There is no way that DCB has put together a proper manifesto because we simply haven't researched that information as a party. So unless he has direct access to the Tory research I don't see how he can have acheived this. We have two research papers in the pipes that have taken months to put together. Why is it that DCB can replicate this across an entire manifesto on his own? it is nonsense.

mkpdavies · 16-07-2006, 02:07 PM

Give him friggin chance. If his personal beliefs are most important to you, then you have a right to expect an answer back to your questions. If he doesn't give them to you, then you can judge on that (or even if he isn't quick enough for you).

Don't expect other people to answer for him though. There might be someone who thinks they can, but you can't demand it.

Some of us are more interested in how he will sort out the party, so that it can come to a decenct conseus on policies, rather than what his personal wish list is. Demanding that supporters answer your question is ,quite frankly, mad.

progcon.org · 16-07-2006, 02:17 PM

OK, I'm beaten!

I'll give up trying. The guy has launched a campaign website that in policy terms leaves ukip with one single policy, and all he seems to be bringing to the party is an internal reorg whilst his supporters are champioing him for seeking to make UKIP a multi-policy party, but don't know his views on anything other than the eu.

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Don't expect other people to answer for him though. There might be someone who thinks they can, but you can't demand it.

Don't expect die-hard supporters to know what he stands for? OK, I won't ask again.

That's it. Last word from me on Richard here. It is amateurish and embarassing.

The conclusion you give is that he is the 'change' candidate with no policies but will listen and get some later. Listen to whom? You lot? :shock:

mkpdavies · 16-07-2006, 02:21 PM

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That's it. Last word from me on Richard here. It is amateurish and embarassing.

You said it.

progcon.org · 16-07-2006, 02:23 PM

John Page · 16-07-2006, 02:46 PM

I look forward to your comments on the Bromley-failed-so-lets-just-try-harder candidate.

C_steam · 16-07-2006, 03:03 PM

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I look forward to your comments on the Bromley-failed-so-lets-just-try-harder candidate.

Surely some mistake JP?

You must have meant "I look forward to your comments on the Bromley-failed-so-lets-just-try-harder candidate who I didn't stand against as an independant after a little chat" - alledgedly!

progcon.org · 16-07-2006, 03:12 PM

Grow up C_Steam.

Yes, I stepped aside for a better placed BOO supporter and encouraged UKIP to do the same in future. This has now been formally proposed as a conference motion by one UKIP branch and Matt has confirmed that his branch will back it.

I have a good personal relationship with one of the BOO organisers, and we discuss issues regularly. I am a committed BOO.

I pulled out after Matt Davies confirmed that Nigel was a BOO supporter and have only ever spoken to Nigel once, a couple of weeks after I pulled out as a BOO supporter, to thank me for that and we had a general chat about the future of UKIP.

You guys are so lost in non-existent conspiracies that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'in on it'.

I thought the fruitcakes would polarise around David Noakes, but clearly Richard is the fruitcake "it's all a great big conspiracy" magnet!

C_steam · 16-07-2006, 03:16 PM

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"I look forward to your comments on the Bromley-failed-so-lets-just-try-harder candidate who I didn't stand against as an independant after a little chat"

Progcon - so we agree - you didn't stand as an independant in bromley, after standing down, following a chat, with Matt - I didn't even suggest the chat was with Nigel! So stop being touchy - anyone might think I'd hit a nerve.

16-07-2006, 02:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	Give him friggin chance. If his personal beliefs are most important to you, then you have a right to expect an answer back to your questions. If he doesn't give them to you, then you can judge on that (or even if he isn't quick enough for you). Don't expect other people to answer for him though. There might be someone who thinks they can, but you can't demand it. Some of us are more interested in how he will sort out the party, so that it can come to a decenct conseus on policies, rather than what his personal wish list is. Demanding that supporters answer your question is ,quite frankly, mad. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

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16-07-2006, 03:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
progcon.org Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 934	Grow up C_Steam. Yes, I stepped aside for a better placed BOO supporter and encouraged UKIP to do the same in future. This has now been formally proposed as a conference motion by one UKIP branch and Matt has confirmed that his branch will back it. I have a good personal relationship with one of the BOO organisers, and we discuss issues regularly. I am a committed BOO. I pulled out after Matt Davies confirmed that Nigel was a BOO supporter and have only ever spoken to Nigel once, a couple of weeks after I pulled out as a BOO supporter, to thank me for that and we had a general chat about the future of UKIP. You guys are so lost in non-existent conspiracies that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'in on it'. I thought the fruitcakes would polarise around David Noakes, but clearly Richard is the fruitcake "it's all a great big conspiracy" magnet!