The David Noakes thread

Intbel · 13-07-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

Saw David Noakes last night at Rainhill.
What he says about the "EU police state" and the like is no doubt a true summing up of what is developing, but we know that the public is not receptive to this blunt, evangelical sort of message - at least not at the present time.

We need a more subtle approach.

I disagree - give 'em brutal honesty.
Tell it as it is.

eublues · 13-07-2006, 04:50 PM

Tell it as it is, but it has to be larded with an impression of not being "obsessive" or into conspiracies.

I want to hear it as it is, but on the whole the public don't in my view, at least not too stridently - frustrating though it is.

Intbel · 13-07-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

Tell it as it is, but it has to be larded with an impression of not being "obsessive" or into conspiracies.

I want to hear it as it is, but on the whole the public don't in my view, at least not too stridently - frustrating though it is.

Okay, so be 'subtle' (a euphemism for lying, imo) and the have the answers ready when they ask, later, "Why weren't we told?"

eublues · 13-07-2006, 04:57 PM

The other 3 candidates can cover the same ground as David Noakes (and do when they judge it appropriate), but they can also offer a different tone. Being sensitive to frightening people into stopping listening is not telling lies.

mkpdavies · 14-07-2006, 09:37 AM

Scaring people is not a nice thing to do and could also be seen as fearmongering to get your own way. Blair does is all the time (albeit with a bit of a subtle approach), the Nazi's do it in a more blunt fashion.

Hereward the Wake · 14-07-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Because GL-W thinks Noakes is fantastic his take on the candidate is one of the few parts of his 'communiqué' that can be reproduced without risking a libel writ.

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David Noakes
An excellent candidate, with a very dedicated, if a little tunnel visioned, approach to the job. His web site is excellent: www.vote-David.com a dedicated campaigner against Common Purpose, corruption and those assosciated with it. Determined to bring the unarguable, clear and simple message that these United Kingdoms are sliding into an out of control Police State with corrupt foreign politicians imposing law not Justice without any concept of democracy or duty. David would make a leader but I can not vouch for his commitment to the broad gamut of UKIP's needs. He is personable, competent and would be high on my team if I was taking on the challenges of putting UKIP on an even keel for the future. He clearly has IT skills and determination, a sound knowledge of EU Doctrine and Treaties. If David is not elected I would hope he would have a clear role with a new leader from outside the old crew!

Unless Mr Noakes firmly reputiates Lance-Watkins's support I certainly won't consider voting for him

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would be high on my team if I was taking on the challenges of putting UKIP on an even keel for the future

What an utter nerve this man has!!!

I spoke to Mr Nokes at Rainhill about this, and he says he has never met Lance-Watkins and knows him only vaguely.

Percy the Poodle · 14-07-2006, 11:03 PM

There's a difference between 'telling it as it is' and asking people not to believe the evidence of their own eyes. I personally don't know anyone who has been tortured, imprisoned or murdered by the EU. Possibly the British government has gone a bit far recently, but this was almost entirely of their own bat. We may believe that the EU is bad for our nation's economic position or that the laws they make allow to much power to be wielded by the unelected, but this is just bad, and sadly commonplace government around the world - it is not a police state. It isn't 'telling it straight' it's hyperbole.

eublues · 15-07-2006, 11:30 AM

It is somewhat hyperbolic at present, though the process of taking away our individual freedoms across just about every area of life (and graciously forcing their version of "rights") is plain enough and needs to be resisted and stopped.

The structure of an embryonic police state exists. But if you bang on about it too much this is likely to be counter-productive with the British people.

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13-07-2006, 04:50 PM	#32 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	Tell it as it is, but it has to be larded with an impression of not being "obsessive" or into conspiracies. I want to hear it as it is, but on the whole the public don't in my view, at least not too stridently - frustrating though it is.

13-07-2006, 04:57 PM	#34 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	The other 3 candidates can cover the same ground as David Noakes (and do when they judge it appropriate), but they can also offer a different tone. Being sensitive to frightening people into stopping listening is not telling lies.

14-07-2006, 11:03 PM	#37 (permalink)
Percy the Poodle Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Devon Posts: 362	There's a difference between 'telling it as it is' and asking people not to believe the evidence of their own eyes. I personally don't know anyone who has been tortured, imprisoned or murdered by the EU. Possibly the British government has gone a bit far recently, but this was almost entirely of their own bat. We may believe that the EU is bad for our nation's economic position or that the laws they make allow to much power to be wielded by the unelected, but this is just bad, and sadly commonplace government around the world - it is not a police state. It isn't 'telling it straight' it's hyperbole.

15-07-2006, 11:30 AM	#38 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	It is somewhat hyperbolic at present, though the process of taking away our individual freedoms across just about every area of life (and graciously forcing their version of "rights") is plain enough and needs to be resisted and stopped. The structure of an embryonic police state exists. But if you bang on about it too much this is likely to be counter-productive with the British people.