Billboard idea

harryaldridge · 29-06-2006, 09:33 AM

I had an idea for a billboard/leaflet campaign for the next General election or European elections.

The idea is to have a quote about the EU by somebody in the public domain, which exposes the truth of the project and is quite shocking. Then to have the response by UKIP below.

I think with a little tweaking it could look veyr good on billboards and leaflets.

Also we cannot be attacked becasue we are just making known quotes that are in the public domain, it comes across as serious and reasoned, whilst being shocking.

It also allows us to carry the theme through onto any campaign material.

Thoughts please?

mkpdavies · 29-06-2006, 09:37 AM

For EU "elections", yep magic.

For general elections, nope, people don't give a toss about democracy. Talk tax, roads, health, educations and how they will benefit under UKIP.

Sad, but true.

Millennium3 · 29-06-2006, 09:41 AM

Good simple message.

gimlet · 29-06-2006, 09:51 AM

Harryaldridge

Can you give me a sorce for the Mandelson quote?

Thanks

kernow · 29-06-2006, 11:35 AM

I think it is a very good idea! The problem I see with relying on policies like Health ,Education and Crime to win us Westminster MPs,is our policies would have to be so radical, attractive and deliverable that Joe Public is bowled over and just gags to vote for us! When I see policies that good being put forward by UKIP then I will start to believe that, that is the way forward!

Millennium3 · 29-06-2006, 11:46 AM

I think we should avoid Health & Education as far as we can but instead offer as much local decision making as possible within broad guidelines. Apart from anything else, any prescribed solutions we offer is likely to offend more voters than we attract - ie counter productive.

Crime is safer ground, as I would have thought that tougher penalties would meet with the general approval of the majority of voters [except for speeding and parking].

mkpdavies · 29-06-2006, 11:53 AM

People want to be told everything will be good for them..

That's why lying and deceit seem to have such great returns for the old parties still, even with half the population turned off.

People who do think about things and see them for what they are, also believe UKIP is no different. Thus the people that actually vote, are the ones who fall for spin and lies.

Be evil to be evil? Not a nice conclusion to come to, but it's one I am rapidly approaching.

That's being the case, then what is the point. Perhaps Mandelson and his chums are right. Perhaps Democracy is nothing but a farce and ending all the pretence is the next logical step. Of course this means those in power at the time, lock it in forever. Hasn't that been the case for some time now anyway?

progcon.org · 29-06-2006, 12:13 PM

Personally, I'd just stop talking about the EU period. Our policy is unequivocal, we will withdraw.

It needs no more emphasis or explanation.

Now let's spend our time detailing how we will benefit the nation on the range of core issues from health, education, law&order, international competitiveness and the environment.

mkpdavies · 29-06-2006, 12:45 PM

That's what I would do, with an all out EU education fest come the EU "elections".

Ideally I believe everyone should join CIB, Freedom Association etc for their anti-EU activities and then let UKIP become more of a rounded party, with the obvious anti-EU stance stated in manifestos and at EU elections.

David Holland · 29-06-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernow

I think it is a very good idea! The problem I see with relying on policies like Health ,Education and Crime to win us Westminster MPs,is our policies would have to be so radical, attractive and deliverable that Joe Public is bowled over and just gags to vote for us! When I see policies that good being put forward by UKIP then I will start to believe that, that is the way forward!

As someone who is guilty of attempted murder can be out after 6 years to have another go or someone who killed a shop keeper in a robbery can be out after 5 years to commit murder (the first time was manslaughter).
I don't think that regarding crime we need that radical a policy ie capital punishment to attract people, locking up very dangerous people seems a simple policy. Of course we need to talk about it - see www.ukip.org for lack of this - first.

View Poll Results: Do you think this would make a good campaign?
Yes, we should do this	7	33.33%
I think it needs tweaking but could be good	6	28.57%
I don't think it is a very good idea	5	23.81%
I like it but i don't think it will work well	3	14.29%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

29-06-2006, 09:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
harryaldridge Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Sussex Posts: 1,874	Billboard idea I had an idea for a billboard/leaflet campaign for the next General election or European elections. The idea is to have a quote about the EU by somebody in the public domain, which exposes the truth of the project and is quite shocking. Then to have the response by UKIP below. I think with a little tweaking it could look veyr good on billboards and leaflets. Also we cannot be attacked becasue we are just making known quotes that are in the public domain, it comes across as serious and reasoned, whilst being shocking. It also allows us to carry the theme through onto any campaign material. Thoughts please?

29-06-2006, 09:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	For EU "elections", yep magic. For general elections, nope, people don't give a toss about democracy. Talk tax, roads, health, educations and how they will benefit under UKIP. Sad, but true. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-06-2006, 11:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	People want to be told everything will be good for them.. That's why lying and deceit seem to have such great returns for the old parties still, even with half the population turned off. People who do think about things and see them for what they are, also believe UKIP is no different. Thus the people that actually vote, are the ones who fall for spin and lies. Be evil to be evil? Not a nice conclusion to come to, but it's one I am rapidly approaching. That's being the case, then what is the point. Perhaps Mandelson and his chums are right. Perhaps Democracy is nothing but a farce and ending all the pretence is the next logical step. Of course this means those in power at the time, lock it in forever. Hasn't that been the case for some time now anyway? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-06-2006, 12:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	That's what I would do, with an all out EU education fest come the EU "elections". Ideally I believe everyone should join CIB, Freedom Association etc for their anti-EU activities and then let UKIP become more of a rounded party, with the obvious anti-EU stance stated in manifestos and at EU elections. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-06-2006, 09:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,708	Good simple message.

29-06-2006, 09:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 798	Harryaldridge Can you give me a sorce for the Mandelson quote? Thanks

29-06-2006, 11:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,612	I think it is a very good idea! The problem I see with relying on policies like Health ,Education and Crime to win us Westminster MPs,is our policies would have to be so radical, attractive and deliverable that Joe Public is bowled over and just gags to vote for us! When I see policies that good being put forward by UKIP then I will start to believe that, that is the way forward!

29-06-2006, 11:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,708	I think we should avoid Health & Education as far as we can but instead offer as much local decision making as possible within broad guidelines. Apart from anything else, any prescribed solutions we offer is likely to offend more voters than we attract - ie counter productive. Crime is safer ground, as I would have thought that tougher penalties would meet with the general approval of the majority of voters [except for speeding and parking].

29-06-2006, 12:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
progcon.org Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 891	Personally, I'd just stop talking about the EU period. Our policy is unequivocal, we will withdraw. It needs no more emphasis or explanation. Now let's spend our time detailing how we will benefit the nation on the range of core issues from health, education, law&order, international competitiveness and the environment.

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