Waste my money.

David Geddes · 17-06-2006, 12:49 PM

I've just recieved a letter from Roger with details about the Bromsgrove election - with a slip asking me to donate [more] money. The Independence arrived in the same post. It kicked off with a complaint about 'lack of funds'.

At a local branch meeting 50% (or 13) members present had access to the Internet. All agreed that it would be preferable to receive information from the Party as an electronic copy - if this would save the Party money.

Do the maths :
20,000 members * 28p for stamp = £56,000

or

10,000 members by email = effectively free.
+
10,000 * 28p for a stamp [for offline members] = £28,000

The point about electronic copy has been repeatedly made - it isn't rocket science.

Is it right to keep asking the membership for money because you basically can't get yourselves organised properly?

Having said that I am thankfull for the information and the Independence is well produced. I just wish that I could email an attached copy to all my friends.

peter · 17-06-2006, 09:19 PM

Yes, I think its an idea that should be looked into. Apart from stamps, there is also the cost of printing. The mailing itself announced that it had in total cost around £20,000, no small amount for a party the size of ours!

mkpdavies · 17-06-2006, 09:20 PM

I would happily accept all further communications via email.

Why not give me the option?

David Geddes · 18-06-2006, 10:00 AM

Lets face it the organisation within UKIP is very poor. Its run by technophobes with a with a 1970's management style who are trying to convince us that their fit to manage the worlds third largest economy in the 21st centuary. Lol. You wouldnt even get away with running a modern company in such a hapeless fashion - a performance incidentally which is disrespectful to the efforts and generousity of the ordinary member.

How about starting by applying some of the wonderful idea's UKIP has about running the country to organising the Party?

Mark Croucher · 22-06-2006, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Geddes

Do the maths :
20,000 members * 28p for stamp = £56,000

or

10,000 members by email = effectively free.
+
10,000 * 28p for a stamp [for offline members] = £28,000

I hate to point it out, but 20,000 x 28p is actually £5,600, not £56,000, and that 10,000 x 28p is actually £2,800.

Call me a pedant if you will.

Rgds

Mark

peter · 22-06-2006, 08:46 PM

Still quite a lot though.

brian lee · 24-06-2006, 10:33 PM

David Geddes wrote

Quote:

Lets face it the organisation within UKIP is very poor. Its run by technophobes with a with a 1970's management style who are trying to convince us that their fit to manage the worlds third largest economy in the 21st centuary. Lol. You wouldnt even get away with running a modern company in such a hapeless fashion - a performance incidentally which is disrespectful to the efforts and generousity of the ordinary member.

How about starting by applying some of the wonderful idea's UKIP has about running the country to organising the Party?

I'm glad someone else shares my view. However, people who get to the top in UKIP do so by listening to the voices in their heads not to the expendible workers. I have just been told by a current member of the NEC that the most able get to the top. I know that not to be true so don't holds your breath David in the hopes that the NEC are on your side.

If you are committed to the cause you have to bomb on in spite of those who think they know what is best for the party.

Intbel · 24-06-2006, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter

Still quite a lot though.

Ya gotta speculate to accumulate.

If every few pence in outlay gets a return of a few pounds who is complaining?

Niall Warry · 07-08-2006, 10:30 AM

It is unbelieveable how after 10 years or more UKIP is so badly organised. Of course e-mail should be used in preference to hard copy. This lack of administrative organisation doesn't say much for those in charge of UKIP does it.

tosser · 03-09-2006, 10:22 PM

C'mon guys donate. When you come out of the EU there are 2.000.000 Brits over here in France that you have to home and supply medical for.
Give generously say £1,000,000 each!!!

17-06-2006, 12:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
David Geddes Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 41	Waste my money. I've just recieved a letter from Roger with details about the Bromsgrove election - with a slip asking me to donate [more] money. The Independence arrived in the same post. It kicked off with a complaint about 'lack of funds'. At a local branch meeting 50% (or 13) members present had access to the Internet. All agreed that it would be preferable to receive information from the Party as an electronic copy - if this would save the Party money. Do the maths : 20,000 members * 28p for stamp = £56,000 or 10,000 members by email = effectively free. + 10,000 * 28p for a stamp [for offline members] = £28,000 The point about electronic copy has been repeatedly made - it isn't rocket science. Is it right to keep asking the membership for money because you basically can't get yourselves organised properly? Having said that I am thankfull for the information and the Independence is well produced. I just wish that I could email an attached copy to all my friends.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,183 Party: Libertarian Party	I would happily accept all further communications via email. Why not give me the option? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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17-06-2006, 09:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
peter Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 55	Yes, I think its an idea that should be looked into. Apart from stamps, there is also the cost of printing. The mailing itself announced that it had in total cost around £20,000, no small amount for a party the size of ours!

18-06-2006, 10:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
David Geddes Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 41	Lets face it the organisation within UKIP is very poor. Its run by technophobes with a with a 1970's management style who are trying to convince us that their fit to manage the worlds third largest economy in the 21st centuary. Lol. You wouldnt even get away with running a modern company in such a hapeless fashion - a performance incidentally which is disrespectful to the efforts and generousity of the ordinary member. How about starting by applying some of the wonderful idea's UKIP has about running the country to organising the Party?

22-06-2006, 08:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
peter Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 55	Still quite a lot though.

07-08-2006, 10:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 603	It is unbelieveable how after 10 years or more UKIP is so badly organised. Of course e-mail should be used in preference to hard copy. This lack of administrative organisation doesn't say much for those in charge of UKIP does it.

03-09-2006, 10:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
tosser Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 10	C'mon guys donate. When you come out of the EU there are 2.000.000 Brits over here in France that you have to home and supply medical for. Give generously say £1,000,000 each!!!