Resignation of a decent and honourable man

mkpdavies · 01-06-2006, 12:00 PM

He missed off the Conservatives, Monster Raving loonies and other that have posted here over time.

I can't think why. :roll:

andypandy · 01-06-2006, 12:17 PM

How can it have "absolutely no connection with UKIP" when many UKIP members contribute here? It may not be officially sanctioned, but UKIPers are involved. If UKIP REALLY did not want it members posting here, then they would have the site proscribed under the penalty of expulsion. As that is not the case, I believe that UKIP secretly enjoys the forum as a place it can keep its more noisy and disruptive activists out of the way from any real harm to their prescious money spinner for the jobs for the boys brigade.

If the leadership were to - or do - read what some of its activists are saying, then they might be able to gauge better overall opinion and adjust strategy accordingly.

Unfortunately, the UKIP hierarchy seem to be a milion miles away from what people here post, and for that reason, I am increasingly having no confidence that a new leader is going to change things. Why? Because some opinions here suggest that UKIP will not get a new leader that is the will of the membership, more, one that, due to some 'electoral discrepancies' missed time slots, or any number of other 'mishaps', will not find themselves sufficiently placed, if placed at all, to effect actual change.

I am totally unsure what direction to take, as I, like many others, do not want to have the p*ss taken out of me by a top brass indifferent to any concensus that exists within the party. UKIP comes across as an organisation that likes to take your membership money, then basically tells you (quietly) to feck off and leave us to spend it as we see fit, no matter how wasteful, stupid or pointless it will appear.

I wonder how on earth UKIP has actually managed to survive all these years, as it can come across as a totally pre-fabricated and temporary political structure not worthy of any real political ambitions bar sucking cash back from the EU to spend in the private pockets of our great heroes calling themselves MEPs. As MEps do not have any power anyway, why do they even bother to waste their time and show up? I would rather they stay away as a mark of contempt for the body, than take the cash to justify a nice little earner, with the occassional tit-bit thrown back to UKIP to feast off.

I am rambling.

Niall Warry · 01-06-2006, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Another hammerblow to the future of UKIP.

The good guys are always driven out. Why is that?

Because the UKIP MEP's do not want to lose control of the Party and certainly do not want anyone upsetting the comportable position they are all in.

Petrina · 01-06-2006, 01:22 PM

I have now seen the emails which contain the resignation of Geoffrey K .

Oh dear .this whole business could have been avoided if Geoffrey had been given a proper contract with terms and conditions of appointment and a thorough job discription which he is entitled to by law.He would then have known precisely what his mandate was and if the NEC, who employed him,wanted to change it in any way then it should have been done formally .

I was told that he would be given a stardard form contract by Robin Collet who deals with these matters ,but then Robin was very ill and presumably no one thought to take the matter over.

It looks like Douglas may now have given himself a lot more to do than he envisaged when he sent those emails pointing out
his perceived postion.

Hartlepool · 01-06-2006, 03:26 PM

Why did he state UKIP and the bnp?

If he knows they come here he must surely know that people from most party's and none come here.

I feel a Leadership Election war coming on in the next few weeks or so.

If anyone was in any doubt regarding those who run UKIP as being non caring towards the Membership they should sit up and observe the coming weeks and see exactly how these people will will install their prefared Roger clone.

Cue Mr Denny for any comments on these recent happenings.

Niall Warry · 01-06-2006, 04:28 PM

This is another example, if any more were needed, that all is not right within the hierarchy of UKIP. UKIP members really should start asking around to discover the truth behind the headlines! Who controls the Party and why? What is the matter with our accounts? etc etc. UKIP's aim was to get us out of the EU and that should be our only focus. If the next leader doesn't sort this out UKIP's effectiveness will be diminished.

mkpdavies · 01-06-2006, 04:31 PM

The only way that will happen is if the establishment maintain power. You should be backing the current leadership if you want UKIP to stay a small, effectiveless single issue Tory pressure group.

Niall Warry · 01-06-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

The only way that will happen is if the establishment maintain power. You should be backing the current leadership if you want UKIP to stay a small, effectiveless single issue Tory pressure group.

Sorry you lost me there?

I can not wait to see who the next leader is but if he or she doesn't get a grip of the Party then UKIP's effectiveness will be greatly diminished which will be a tragety as UKIP is the only Party advocating leaving the EU and we need it to help speed up the day we leave. So in my opinion we should concentrate on that and at this stage not try to compete with the LibLabCon.

Hartlepool · 01-06-2006, 08:31 PM

NW,I don't think that UKIP is the only party which is advocating leaving the EU.

As for UKIP losing it's effectiveness,I would say,we are at best, of minimum effect, with little left to lose.

Intbel · 01-06-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petrina

Oh dear .this whole business could have been avoided if Geoffrey had been given a proper contract with terms and conditions of appointment and a thorough job discription which he is entitled to by law.He would then have known precisely what his mandate was and if the NEC, who employed him,wanted to change it in any way then it should have been done formally .

So why did the new improved N.E.C., which employed Kingsott, not ensure he received a contract of employment - or is the new N.E.C. not quite as improved as it might be?

I believe the job desription was made available to all candidates for the position was it not?

01-06-2006, 12:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,183 Party: Libertarian Party	He missed off the Conservatives, Monster Raving loonies and other that have posted here over time. I can't think why. :roll: __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,183 Party: Libertarian Party	The only way that will happen is if the establishment maintain power. You should be backing the current leadership if you want UKIP to stay a small, effectiveless single issue Tory pressure group. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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01-06-2006, 12:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	How can it have "absolutely no connection with UKIP" when many UKIP members contribute here? It may not be officially sanctioned, but UKIPers are involved. If UKIP REALLY did not want it members posting here, then they would have the site proscribed under the penalty of expulsion. As that is not the case, I believe that UKIP secretly enjoys the forum as a place it can keep its more noisy and disruptive activists out of the way from any real harm to their prescious money spinner for the jobs for the boys brigade. If the leadership were to - or do - read what some of its activists are saying, then they might be able to gauge better overall opinion and adjust strategy accordingly. Unfortunately, the UKIP hierarchy seem to be a milion miles away from what people here post, and for that reason, I am increasingly having no confidence that a new leader is going to change things. Why? Because some opinions here suggest that UKIP will not get a new leader that is the will of the membership, more, one that, due to some 'electoral discrepancies' missed time slots, or any number of other 'mishaps', will not find themselves sufficiently placed, if placed at all, to effect actual change. I am totally unsure what direction to take, as I, like many others, do not want to have the p*ss taken out of me by a top brass indifferent to any concensus that exists within the party. UKIP comes across as an organisation that likes to take your membership money, then basically tells you (quietly) to feck off and leave us to spend it as we see fit, no matter how wasteful, stupid or pointless it will appear. I wonder how on earth UKIP has actually managed to survive all these years, as it can come across as a totally pre-fabricated and temporary political structure not worthy of any real political ambitions bar sucking cash back from the EU to spend in the private pockets of our great heroes calling themselves MEPs. As MEps do not have any power anyway, why do they even bother to waste their time and show up? I would rather they stay away as a mark of contempt for the body, than take the cash to justify a nice little earner, with the occassional tit-bit thrown back to UKIP to feast off. I am rambling.

01-06-2006, 01:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,037	I have now seen the emails which contain the resignation of Geoffrey K . Oh dear .this whole business could have been avoided if Geoffrey had been given a proper contract with terms and conditions of appointment and a thorough job discription which he is entitled to by law.He would then have known precisely what his mandate was and if the NEC, who employed him,wanted to change it in any way then it should have been done formally . I was told that he would be given a stardard form contract by Robin Collet who deals with these matters ,but then Robin was very ill and presumably no one thought to take the matter over. It looks like Douglas may now have given himself a lot more to do than he envisaged when he sent those emails pointing out his perceived postion.

01-06-2006, 03:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,817 Party: Popular Democrats	Why did he state UKIP and the bnp? If he knows they come here he must surely know that people from most party's and none come here. I feel a Leadership Election war coming on in the next few weeks or so. If anyone was in any doubt regarding those who run UKIP as being non caring towards the Membership they should sit up and observe the coming weeks and see exactly how these people will will install their prefared Roger clone. Cue Mr Denny for any comments on these recent happenings.

01-06-2006, 04:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 603	This is another example, if any more were needed, that all is not right within the hierarchy of UKIP. UKIP members really should start asking around to discover the truth behind the headlines! Who controls the Party and why? What is the matter with our accounts? etc etc. UKIP's aim was to get us out of the EU and that should be our only focus. If the next leader doesn't sort this out UKIP's effectiveness will be diminished.

01-06-2006, 08:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,817 Party: Popular Democrats	NW,I don't think that UKIP is the only party which is advocating leaving the EU. As for UKIP losing it's effectiveness,I would say,we are at best, of minimum effect, with little left to lose.