What do other parties want UKIP to not do ?

David Holland · 30-05-2006, 03:20 PM

If you were a member of another party what would you want UKIP to not do ?

Here is the beginning of a list :-
1) Talk about proper punishment of crime
2) Talk about over crowding rather than immigration per se (which can be written off a racist, however very few people think 10% more people travelling in London in the rush hour is possible let alone desirable).
3) Stop being a one issue party.
4) Present a normal image
5) Target our efforts on winnable seats.

John Page · 30-05-2006, 04:18 PM

6) Get an effective, full-time leader

kernow · 30-05-2006, 04:46 PM

I don't think they bother, after all the media make sure UKIP is presented as a nonentity to the voting public, so what have other parties got to fear from UKIP?

David Holland · 30-05-2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernow

I don't think they bother, after all the media make sure UKIP is presented as a nonentity to the voting public, so what have other parties got to fear from UKIP?

If they don't care why do they attack us ? Look at how they and their media supporters keep lying and calling us racist.

kernow · 30-05-2006, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Holland

If they don't care why do they attack us ? Look at how they and their media supporters keep lying and calling us racist.

Makes them look good in the eyes of the "Ethnics" remember there are lot of votes to be gathered there!

Christina · 30-05-2006, 05:46 PM

We don't want you to all dress up like UKIP Man, coz that would cost us elections.

Robin · 30-05-2006, 08:47 PM

The other parties dont want UKIP to point out that the public is short changed of various services,from the NHS,Police Defence to propping up a sea wall in Felixstowe because money is sent to the EU,to be spent in other countries.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 30-05-2006, 08:57 PM

Stand in Elections

UKIP standing definately effects our vote

Intbel · 30-05-2006, 09:36 PM

Most of all other parties do not want to hear us speak the truth - about anything.

David Agnew · 02-06-2006, 01:41 PM

What they don't want us to do (all the usual stuff):

* Stop arguing among ourselves

* Take every opportunity to promote the UKIP brand, so that the public are continually reminded of the party's existance.

* Sort out the website

* Have a leader with public recognition.

* Push the UKIP 'direct democracy' message. So even if the voter doesn't agree with UKIP, they should vote for them anyway, because it will empower them through direct democracy.

* Confound the negative image that they have attempted to pin on UKIP (eg 'single issue').

* Come up with some core values and get them publicised.

* Bang on about those areas where the established parties have failed (OK, so that's all areas), and put forward the UKIP alternative. (This requires 2 things: a detailed version that journalists are unable to pick holes in, and a 'soundbite' easy to remember version for presenting to the public - eg 'honest sentencing', 'power to the people' etc).

* Be able to explain precisely why UKIP can deliver where the established parties have failed.

* Point out that the waste of thousands of lives in the NHS is completely unnecessary

* Point out that the UK is sliding down the international competitiveness league.

* Promote UKIP's solution to the 'West Lothian Question'

* Point out that the tax and benefit systems are overcomplicated and that UKIP would reform them.

* Point out that about a quarter of government expenditure is waste. By that I mean expenditure that delivers no benefit to the taxpayer (but it may deliver very good benefits to those doing the spending ie all those in the bureaucracies, the extra assemblies, the quangos. (For some reason John Prescott comes to mind)). So paying for UKIP's program would be easy, and there would still be scope for tax cuts.

* In some of the areas where the established parties have failed (eg crime), they do at least talk about it (usually in response to media pressure), but there are some areas where they don't even do that. For example they don't even mention the dependency culture. I think that we all know of people who are playing the system, and the public are fed up with paying for it. But they have nowhere to turn. I think this could be an open goal for UKIP. Talk about what the established parties won't.

* Mention the 'independence dividend'

* Stress the point that the Conservatives and New Labour are increasingly difficult to tell apart, and if the electorate insist on voting for the discredited duopoly, they will end up with more of the same. It is voting for the established parties that is the 'wasted vote'.

30-05-2006, 03:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
David Holland Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,319	What do other parties want UKIP to not do ? If you were a member of another party what would you want UKIP to not do ? Here is the beginning of a list :- 1) Talk about proper punishment of crime 2) Talk about over crowding rather than immigration per se (which can be written off a racist, however very few people think 10% more people travelling in London in the rush hour is possible let alone desirable). 3) Stop being a one issue party. 4) Present a normal image 5) Target our efforts on winnable seats. __________________ More people + no new homes = housing shortage.

30-05-2006, 08:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,978 Party: English Democrats	Stand in Elections UKIP standing definately effects our vote __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

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Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	Most of all other parties do not want to hear us speak the truth - about anything. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

02-06-2006, 01:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
David Agnew Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maidenhead Posts: 296	What they don't want UKIP to do What they don't want us to do (all the usual stuff): * Stop arguing among ourselves * Take every opportunity to promote the UKIP brand, so that the public are continually reminded of the party's existance. * Sort out the website * Have a leader with public recognition. * Push the UKIP 'direct democracy' message. So even if the voter doesn't agree with UKIP, they should vote for them anyway, because it will empower them through direct democracy. * Confound the negative image that they have attempted to pin on UKIP (eg 'single issue'). * Come up with some core values and get them publicised. * Bang on about those areas where the established parties have failed (OK, so that's all areas), and put forward the UKIP alternative. (This requires 2 things: a detailed version that journalists are unable to pick holes in, and a 'soundbite' easy to remember version for presenting to the public - eg 'honest sentencing', 'power to the people' etc). * Be able to explain precisely why UKIP can deliver where the established parties have failed. * Point out that the waste of thousands of lives in the NHS is completely unnecessary * Point out that the UK is sliding down the international competitiveness league. * Promote UKIP's solution to the 'West Lothian Question' * Point out that the tax and benefit systems are overcomplicated and that UKIP would reform them. * Point out that about a quarter of government expenditure is waste. By that I mean expenditure that delivers no benefit to the taxpayer (but it may deliver very good benefits to those doing the spending ie all those in the bureaucracies, the extra assemblies, the quangos. (For some reason John Prescott comes to mind)). So paying for UKIP's program would be easy, and there would still be scope for tax cuts. * In some of the areas where the established parties have failed (eg crime), they do at least talk about it (usually in response to media pressure), but there are some areas where they don't even do that. For example they don't even mention the dependency culture. I think that we all know of people who are playing the system, and the public are fed up with paying for it. But they have nowhere to turn. I think this could be an open goal for UKIP. Talk about what the established parties won't. * Mention the 'independence dividend' * Stress the point that the Conservatives and New Labour are increasingly difficult to tell apart, and if the electorate insist on voting for the discredited duopoly, they will end up with more of the same. It is voting for the established parties that is the 'wasted vote'.

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30-05-2006, 04:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	6) Get an effective, full-time leader

30-05-2006, 04:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,184	I don't think they bother, after all the media make sure UKIP is presented as a nonentity to the voting public, so what have other parties got to fear from UKIP?

30-05-2006, 05:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	We don't want you to all dress up like UKIP Man, coz that would cost us elections.

30-05-2006, 08:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Robin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 934	The other parties dont want UKIP to point out that the public is short changed of various services,from the NHS,Police Defence to propping up a sea wall in Felixstowe because money is sent to the EU,to be spent in other countries.