A question for you to ponder?

andypandy · 31-05-2006, 09:27 PM

Elvis - dead? What???

Who ya going call? EuBusters!!

If there's something strange, in your Parliament, who you gonna call - EUBusters!

If if it's full of fraud, and demands high rents, who you gonna call - EuBusters!

I aint 'fraid of no Eu posts
I aint 'fraid of no EU ghosts

kernow · 01-06-2006, 01:01 AM

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Although the EU is a major issue it is not the only problem with this country, I believe there is a real need for a fourth party now the Tories and Labour have effectively become one party with pretty similar policies.

Agreed the EU is not the only problem with our Country, but it is the reason why most of our major problems exist, e.g
Mass uncontrolled immigration.
Uncontrolled import of foreign criminals.
Politically correct human rights which have given all criminal unbelievable freedom to run riot over law abiding citizens.
The destruction of British industry.
The destruction of British Farming.
The destruction of the British Fishing Industry.
The down sizing of all Britain's Armed Forces.
Brussels has achieved without firing a shot what Hitler could only dream of, a completely subservient Britain!
UKIP need a few AK47s not more councillors! :twisted:

However if we were to come out a lot of the above would still happen under LibLabCon.

At least we'd have a chance of voting those buggers out!

David Holland · 01-06-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kernow

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Originally Posted by David Holland

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Originally Posted by kernow

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

Although the EU is a major issue it is not the only problem with this country, I believe there is a real need for a fourth party now the Tories and Labour have effectively become one party with pretty similar policies.

Agreed the EU is not the only problem with our Country, but it is the reason why most of our major problems exist, e.g
Mass uncontrolled immigration.
Uncontrolled import of foreign criminals.
Politically correct human rights which have given all criminal unbelievable freedom to run riot over law abiding citizens.
The destruction of British industry.
The destruction of British Farming.
The destruction of the British Fishing Industry.
The down sizing of all Britain's Armed Forces.
Brussels has achieved without firing a shot what Hitler could only dream of, a completely subservient Britain!
UKIP need a few AK47s not more councillors! :twisted:

However if we were to come out a lot of the above would still happen under LibLabCon.

At least we'd have a chance of voting those buggers out!

If like some people want UKIP were a one issue party, how would be able to vote against LibLabCon after we leave the EU ? Vote Green or Respect ?

Niall Warry · 01-06-2006, 12:59 PM

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A more relevant question is "If you found that Doctor Who is a documentary and not fiction, what would you do ?"

So by your sarcastic comment I take it you think this won't happen. If so why in politics has the following happened:-
1.Tories split over the corn laws
2.Liberals decline
3.Labour party grows
4.SDP and Liberals join
5.New Labour forms

So which is more likely in your opinion UKIP gains power at Westminster and takes us out of the EU or a combination of the LibLabCon MP's or just one of the 3 main parties sees the light and agrees we are after all 'better off out.' By the way I believe Doctor Who has more chance of becoming a documentary before UKIP gains power which is why I want to see UKIP work smarter and not harder to get us out the EU. You should be a ware that continually repeating the same failed tactics and expecting a different result is not very sensible to say the least.[/quote]
It is shame Niall that no one in Labour had said 100 years ago, "lets just be a pressure group then we would have been spared all their bad government". It is a shame you weren't in Labour then

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I don't want us to repeat the same failed tactics. I want us to talk about other things as well as the EU (eg the basis of our 5 freedoms) and target resources so we win seats. Not be a pressure group.

Please explain to me how is saying we have no policies apart from leaving the EU working smarter ? If we do that at the next election, I won't deliver a single leaflet - it will be a complete waste of time.

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WE want to leave the EU so we need to hasten the day. UKIP with a raft of policies will not get elected in a UK election. If we stand against selected MP's and make them lose their seats that is possible. This brings pressure for MP's to suport our policies of out. That is working smarter competing with the LibLabCon is working harder and at the moment total pointless as proven by UKIP only getting 4% of the vote. UKIP gets 16% of the vote at Euro Elections and that is where we should concentrate our efforts.

David Holland · 01-06-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall Warry

WE want to leave the EU so we need to hasten the day. UKIP with a raft of policies will not get elected in a UK election. If we stand against selected MP's and make them lose their seats that is possible. This brings pressure for MP's to suport our policies of out. That is working smarter competing with the LibLabCon is working harder and at the moment total pointless as proven by UKIP only getting 4% of the vote. UKIP gets 16% of the vote at Euro Elections and that is where we should concentrate our efforts.

I want to leave the EU. I agree with you that we should only stand in some constituencies (we don't have the resources for anything else).

However most people don't not care enough about the EU to just vote on that issue. We have a lot less money than the single issue referendum party did and we are doing better. Do you really think at the Bromley by election
if someone asks :-
"What will you do about crime/NHS/etc" we should say "we are only a single issue party" ? The new housing developments etc should not figure in our campaign ?

Niall Warry · 01-06-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by David Holland

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Originally Posted by Niall Warry

WE want to leave the EU so we need to hasten the day. UKIP with a raft of policies will not get elected in a UK election. If we stand against selected MP's and make them lose their seats that is possible. This brings pressure for MP's to suport our policies of out. That is working smarter competing with the LibLabCon is working harder and at the moment total pointless as proven by UKIP only getting 4% of the vote. UKIP gets 16% of the vote at Euro Elections and that is where we should concentrate our efforts.

I want to leave the EU. I agree with you that we should only stand in some constituencies (we don't have the resources for anything else).

However most people don't not care enough about the EU to just vote on that issue. We have a lot less money than the single issue referendum party did and we are doing better. Do you really think at the Bromley by election
if someone asks :-
"What will you do about crime/NHS/etc" we should say "we are only a single issue party" ? The new housing developments etc should not figure in our campaign ?

Bromley is costing us £50,000 to stand against a eurosceptic MP. We shouldn't be standing at all as we won't win so will achieve nothing apart from wasting the money. We don't need any other policies apart from leave the EU especially if we are targeting seats and putting pressure on the sitting MP. If the electorate want to vote us in on a single issue they will when they feel the time is right just like they did with that doctor in the GE before last.

David Holland · 01-06-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall Warry

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Originally Posted by David Holland

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Originally Posted by Niall Warry

WE want to leave the EU so we need to hasten the day. UKIP with a raft of policies will not get elected in a UK election. If we stand against selected MP's and make them lose their seats that is possible. This brings pressure for MP's to suport our policies of out. That is working smarter competing with the LibLabCon is working harder and at the moment total pointless as proven by UKIP only getting 4% of the vote. UKIP gets 16% of the vote at Euro Elections and that is where we should concentrate our efforts.

I want to leave the EU. I agree with you that we should only stand in some constituencies (we don't have the resources for anything else).

However most people don't not care enough about the EU to just vote on that issue. We have a lot less money than the single issue referendum party did and we are doing better. Do you really think at the Bromley by election
if someone asks :-
"What will you do about crime/NHS/etc" we should say "we are only a single issue party" ? The new housing developments etc should not figure in our campaign ?

Bromley is costing us £50,000 to stand against a eurosceptic MP. We don't need any other policies apart from leave the EU. If the electorate want to vote us in on a single issue they will when they feel the time is right just like they did with that doctor in the GE before last.

There isn't an MP in Bromley he died. How do you know that the other parties will have eurosceptics ?
Where do you get your figures of £50 K from ?

At the moment the electorate don't want to vote us in on a single issue.
Our critics say :- "UKIP are a single issue party" and "UKIP are racist".
Why do you want to help them ?

Bluemerle · 01-06-2006, 05:11 PM

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Bromley is costing us £50,000 to stand against a eurosceptic MP. We shouldn't be standing at all as we won't win so will achieve nothing apart from wasting the money. We don't need any other policies apart from leave the EU especially if we are targeting seats and putting pressure on the sitting MP. If the electorate want to vote us in on a single issue they will when they feel the time is right just like they did with that doctor in the GE before last.

£50,000??? A complete waste of money.

What on earth are they spending it on?? Leaflets?? Most people dump the leaflets in the bin and don't bother reading them, and whoever designs the UKIP leaflets and posters, needs lessons in design.

Niall Warry · 01-06-2006, 06:59 PM

I heard the figure from somewhere or other and maintain there are far better things to spend the money on at the moment apart from some macho stand in a bye -election we will loose even if we spent million! As to how I know that the selected Con canidate is a Eurosceptic I read it in the papers! Look I don't trust most of the Tories and more than the next UKIP man but there are MP's IN POWER now who defied Dave's orders not to attend the 'better off out' meeting the other day. So we should keep up the pressure and more worms to turn. LibLabCon worms turning is reality getting a UKIP MP elected is fiction at the moment.

David Holland · 01-06-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall Warry

I heard the figure from somewhere or other and maintain there are far better things to spend the money on at the moment apart from some macho stand in a bye -election we will loose even if we spent million! As to how I know that the selected Con canidate is a Eurosceptic I read it in the papers! Look I don't trust most of the Tories and more than the next UKIP man but there are MP's IN POWER now who defied Dave's orders not to attend the 'better off out' meeting the other day. So we should keep up the pressure and more worms to turn. LibLabCon worms turning is reality getting a UKIP MP elected is fiction at the moment.

If you know who the candidate is you can see the future because at the moment it has not been decided. I know why don't you bet on this on this certainty and give UKIP the money.

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31-05-2006, 09:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Elvis - dead? What??? Who ya going call? EuBusters!! If there's something strange, in your Parliament, who you gonna call - EUBusters! If if it's full of fraud, and demands high rents, who you gonna call - EuBusters! I aint 'fraid of no Eu posts I aint 'fraid of no EU ghosts

01-06-2006, 06:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 603	I heard the figure from somewhere or other and maintain there are far better things to spend the money on at the moment apart from some macho stand in a bye -election we will loose even if we spent million! As to how I know that the selected Con canidate is a Eurosceptic I read it in the papers! Look I don't trust most of the Tories and more than the next UKIP man but there are MP's IN POWER now who defied Dave's orders not to attend the 'better off out' meeting the other day. So we should keep up the pressure and more worms to turn. LibLabCon worms turning is reality getting a UKIP MP elected is fiction at the moment.