Bluemerle

The Cornerstone Group in the Conservative Party are, together with the Better Off Out group of Tories, the only MPs worth watching. We must remember that not everyone outside UKIP is our enemy.

This is from their website:-

Another quote:-

I wouldn't give you tuppence for the rest of Cameron's cronies, but we should positively encourage, and support, this group to go for leaving the EU.

http://www.cornerstonegroup.org.uk/

B.A.Ware

Apart from the fact the self serving politicians will never give up their European retirement plan, the EU was not the only factor that made me join Ukip I quite liked the idea of local and national referendums and Ukip politicians being accountable firstly to the electorate then to the party(which seems to have now disappeared from the Manifesto)

Although the EU is a major issue it is not the only problem with this country, I believe there is a real need for a fourth party now the Tories and Labour have effectively become one party with pretty similar policies.

We need to make our politicians accountable and bring the power back to the people, getting the electorate involved in community councils, Local planning power up not power down, this would be achievable through Direct Democracy

UKIP WE’RE NOT JUST ABOUT EUROPE

kernow

Agreed the EU is not the only problem with our Country, but it is the reason why most of our major problems exist, e.g
Mass uncontrolled immigration.
Uncontrolled import of foreign criminals.
Politically correct human rights which have given all criminal unbelievable freedom to run riot over law abiding citizens.
The destruction of British industry.
The destruction of British Farming.
The destruction of the British Fishing Industry.
The down sizing of all Britain's Armed Forces.
Brussels has achieved without firing a shot what Hitler could only dream of, a completely subservient Britain!
UKIP need a few AK47s not more councillors! :twisted:

David Holland

However if we were to come out a lot of the above would still happen under LibLabCon.

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More people + no new homes = housing shortage.

Niall Warry

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A more relevant question is "If you found that Doctor Who is a documentary and not fiction, what would you do ?"
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So by your sarcastic comment I take it you think this won't happen. If so why in politics has the following happened:-
1.Tories split over the corn laws
2.Liberals decline
3.Labour party grows
4.SDP and Liberals join
5.New Labour forms

So which is more likely in your opinion UKIP gains power at Westminster and takes us out of the EU or a combination of the LibLabCon MP's or just one of the 3 main parties sees the light and agrees we are after all 'better off out.' By the way I believe Doctor Who has more chance of becoming a documentary before UKIP gains power which is why I want to see UKIP work smarter and not harder to get us out the EU. You should be a ware that continually repeating the same failed tactics and expecting a different result is not very sensible to say the least.

C_steam

Bleearrrghhhhhhhhh.

Means? Or are you talking about an opportunity to leverage maximum synergies through a new paradigm of opposition whilst maintaining our essential core DNA in an integrous manner? :twisted:

Intbel

That might work if it were to catch on which it wouldn't.

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We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

David Holland

A more relevant question is "If you found that Doctor Who is a documentary and not fiction, what would you do ?"
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So by your sarcastic comment I take it you think this won't happen. If so why in politics has the following happened:-
1.Tories split over the corn laws
2.Liberals decline
3.Labour party grows
4.SDP and Liberals join
5.New Labour forms

So which is more likely in your opinion UKIP gains power at Westminster and takes us out of the EU or a combination of the LibLabCon MP's or just one of the 3 main parties sees the light and agrees we are after all 'better off out.' By the way I believe Doctor Who has more chance of becoming a documentary before UKIP gains power which is why I want to see UKIP work smarter and not harder to get us out the EU. You should be a ware that continually repeating the same failed tactics and expecting a different result is not very sensible to say the least.[/quote]
It is shame Niall that no one in Labour had said 100 years ago, "lets just be a pressure group then we would have been spared all their bad government". It is a shame you weren't in Labour then



I don't want us to repeat the same failed tactics. I want us to talk about other things as well as the EU (eg the basis of our 5 freedoms) and target resources so we win seats. Not be a pressure group.

Please explain to me how is saying we have no policies apart from leaving the EU working smarter ? If we do that at the next election, I won't deliver a single leaflet - it will be a complete waste of time.

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Britannist

Elvis Presley being found alive is more likely than one of the 'main' parties going anti-EU. Only under electoral pressure from MP's in the Commons (on whose support a governing party might one day rely) would such a policy shift even begin to look conceivable. Such a scenario became a reality at the time of the EU Maastricht Treaty - the Conservative 'euro-rebel' MP's forced the europhile wimp Major (Prime Minister at the time) to concede a referendum on the euro.

pentameter

It's presenting an unnecessary dichotomy to try and make UKIP choose between being a political party and pressure group, when there's no reason why it can't be both at the same time. For my part, I'd rather it was much more of a party than a pressure group. This entails having an agenda which rests on more than a single issue;.

You might ask the same question of the Lib-Dems. Are they a party with a serious chance of forming a government? Are they just a pressure group? What are they pressuring for? Wouldn't their members be better advised to go their separate ways and join other parties rather than ride on a protest vote organised by nothing much more than political opportunists trading in middle class guilt? Why do they exist, apart from to further a few blandishments about a fairer society?

There are already plenty of anti-EU pressure groups and they play a part in getting us out of the EU. Ultimately, the only thing that will do the trick is MPs in Westminster who can do the business. UKIP MPs in Westminster would change the debate in a definite way which pure pressure groups never could.

Getting MPs in Westminster involves more than banging on about a single issue such at the EU, even though many of the problems we have to solve lead straight back to it.
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