Last week's UKIP website releases (not newspaper articles)

Intbel · 31-05-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

As for myself,I have always done enough within UKIP to feel good about myself and those efforts,that is why I will continue to work for the Party,unlike some,I will contiue working unpaid.

Yup, me too.

Hartlepool · 31-05-2006, 04:23 PM

Thats good,glad to hear it.

Lawrie Boxall · 31-05-2006, 08:00 PM

It's not really Mark's fault is it. The press office is rudderless like the rest of the party. The problem is that UKIP has no political leadership - or any politicians in the leading group as far as I can see. No ideas, no vision, no interest. That's the problem.

Can anyone tell me what has been the point of the last 2 years of Roger Knapman's leadership? What has been achieved? Did Roger ever tell us that he was going to sit on his backside in Brusells for 2 years once we got 10 MEPs elected? What exactly is the point of a fixed 4 year term for the UKIP leader? Why haven't the NEC moved to get rid of it? Why didn't Roger stand down after the election failure in 2005? Is the NEC satisfied with the progress over the last 2 years?

This may be an organisational issue but it is absolutely key when the man we thought was UKIP's leading and most experienced politician turns out to have no interest or passion for the subject.

I think it tells us a great deal about the Tory party and how it got into the mess it did.

MarkR · 03-06-2006, 08:57 PM

Given we have 10 MEPs (or whatever the number is today) and associated paid staff I think the output is **** poor.
We know the 'parliament' is a sham so why so much time spent there?
Even if they have to show up to get their gravy from the train there is nothing to say they have to take part, in these modern times they can surely be as effective there as here.

Have I missed something?

Hartlepool · 03-06-2006, 09:07 PM

Did you mean to say they can be as effective here as there?(not the opposite?

Johnny Hates Jazz · 03-06-2006, 09:40 PM

There's at least one article a day on the English Democrats Web Site

http://englishdemocrats.org.uk/news.php 8)

MarkR · 04-06-2006, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

Did you mean to say they can be as effective here as there?(not the opposite?

Well, either/or really.
The potential impact is not geographically dependent.
I worry they have become to engrossed in the machinations of the beast, not that I think they have 'gone native' in the strictest sense.

Lawrie Boxall · 05-06-2006, 08:36 PM

Yawn - 'scuse me been asleep.

Woken up by Gordon Brown - he is telling national governments not to indulge in economic patriotism - something to do with trying to protect themselves against the effects of globalisation, damaging the single market

Eeeaaarrhhh - sorry - so difficult trying to stay awake waiting for UKIP to say something they are supposed to be an anti-EU party if anything ........ need to point out economic patriotism defines the EU ....... exactly what all the trade regulations are about ....... erecting trade barriers unless you hand over power to govern yourself......... single market is fundamentally protectionist because it prevents outsiders trading freely... if they can be bothered ......you know bans on clothing and shoe imports etc of recent memory.. .. Peter Mandelson Protectionist Commissioner in Chief ...... lots of examples....easy to make a case against EU/New Labour/Tories/Gordon Brown on this ..... globalisation means EU out of date ............

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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31-05-2006, 04:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,817 Party: Popular Democrats	Thats good,glad to hear it.

31-05-2006, 08:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 1,015	It's not really Mark's fault is it. The press office is rudderless like the rest of the party. The problem is that UKIP has no political leadership - or any politicians in the leading group as far as I can see. No ideas, no vision, no interest. That's the problem. Can anyone tell me what has been the point of the last 2 years of Roger Knapman's leadership? What has been achieved? Did Roger ever tell us that he was going to sit on his backside in Brusells for 2 years once we got 10 MEPs elected? What exactly is the point of a fixed 4 year term for the UKIP leader? Why haven't the NEC moved to get rid of it? Why didn't Roger stand down after the election failure in 2005? Is the NEC satisfied with the progress over the last 2 years? This may be an organisational issue but it is absolutely key when the man we thought was UKIP's leading and most experienced politician turns out to have no interest or passion for the subject. I think it tells us a great deal about the Tory party and how it got into the mess it did.

03-06-2006, 08:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
MarkR Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Cumbria Posts: 143	Given we have 10 MEPs (or whatever the number is today) and associated paid staff I think the output is **** poor. We know the 'parliament' is a sham so why so much time spent there? Even if they have to show up to get their gravy from the train there is nothing to say they have to take part, in these modern times they can surely be as effective there as here. Have I missed something?

03-06-2006, 09:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,817 Party: Popular Democrats	Did you mean to say they can be as effective here as there?(not the opposite?

05-06-2006, 08:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 1,015	Yawn - 'scuse me been asleep. Woken up by Gordon Brown - he is telling national governments not to indulge in economic patriotism - something to do with trying to protect themselves against the effects of globalisation, damaging the single market Eeeaaarrhhh - sorry - so difficult trying to stay awake waiting for UKIP to say something they are supposed to be an anti-EU party if anything ........ need to point out economic patriotism defines the EU ....... exactly what all the trade regulations are about ....... erecting trade barriers unless you hand over power to govern yourself......... single market is fundamentally protectionist because it prevents outsiders trading freely... if they can be bothered ......you know bans on clothing and shoe imports etc of recent memory.. .. Peter Mandelson Protectionist Commissioner in Chief ...... lots of examples....easy to make a case against EU/New Labour/Tories/Gordon Brown on this ..... globalisation means EU out of date ............ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz