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Old 18-05-2006, 02:24 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I won't support a UKIP leader that is gay or lesbian because of my Christian religious beliefs in family values but Christians don't have the option of walking away from the political battlefield. Liberalism has already gained an advantage by taking over the schools, the media, and many denominations.
Because believers are neglecting to become involved in politics, the enemy continues to use the political process to manipulate and herd the British into ungodliness. Unopposed, that tyrannical power will ultimately enslave us.

The liberal media today demonstrably hate the idea of Christians becoming actively involved in the political process. Bible-believing ministers are usually portrayed as hateful zealots who are narrow-minded, bigoted, and homophobic when they oppose the anti-God wrongs wrapped up in those key issues described above. To express opposition--especially organized opposition--to the "pro choice" or "gay rights" agendas is to invite hate-filled fire from media, whether from news organizations or from Hollywood and entertainment in general.

The humanists seem to think that Christianity is so naturally offensive it needs to be excluded from areas of public life.

Homosexuals make up less than 6 percent of the population. Yet they are immensely effective in their efforts to impose their minority view on the rest of us. Although they are much greater in number, the same goes for those who push the right to abort babies--most all such killings done for the sake of convenience. The news media and entertainment industries consistently and loudly beat the drums of support for these anti-God practices.

Human beings must, in the final analysis, vote upon the issues of life that will determine how we will be served by human government. Departure from wise, godly principles delineated in the Bible invites the sort of confused and debased culture in which we are mired today. Such foolish decision-making ultimately brings foolish, even debased, perverted leadership, and even devilish tyranny.

Thankfully, one day, when Christ reigns and rules on earth, the humanistic form of governance will be a long-past memory.
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I won't support a UKIP leader that is gay or lesbian because of my Christian religious beliefs in family values ...
Fair enough, but tell me, if you leave aside, for a moment, religious stuff and just use your own reasoning, what then might be your opinion?

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... but Christians don't have the option of walking away from the political battlefield.
Why not? Are you not free to choose how you conduct your life?

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Liberalism has already gained an advantage by taking over the schools, the media, and many denominations.
Because believers are neglecting to become involved in politics, the enemy continues to use the political process to manipulate and herd the British into ungodliness. Unopposed, that tyrannical power will ultimately enslave us.
All groups have always used whatever means is available to manipulate the sheeple ... governments, corporations and churches.

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The liberal media today demonstrably hate the idea of Christians becoming actively involved in the political process. Bible-believing ministers are usually portrayed as hateful zealots who are narrow-minded, bigoted, and homophobic when they oppose the anti-God wrongs wrapped up in those key issues described above. To express opposition--especially organized opposition--to the "pro choice" or "gay rights" agendas is to invite hate-filled fire from media, whether from news organizations or from Hollywood and entertainment in general.

The humanists seem to think that Christianity is so naturally offensive it needs to be excluded from areas of public life.
As it happens I find Christianity somewhat offensive - mainly it offends my reason. That it is responsible for much damage is also true.

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Homosexuals make up less than 6 percent of the population. Yet they are immensely effective in their efforts to impose their minority view on the rest of us. Although they are much greater in number, the same goes for those who push the right to abort babies--most all such killings done for the sake of convenience. The news media and entertainment industries consistently and loudly beat the drums of support for these anti-God practices.
From what I undeerstand homosexuals have no wish to impose their views on anyone - they just seek equality with all other folks.

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Human beings must, in the final analysis, vote upon the issues of life that will determine how we will be served by human government. Departure from wise, godly principles delineated in the Bible invites the sort of confused and debased culture in which we are mired today. Such foolish decision-making ultimately brings foolish, even debased, perverted leadership, and even devilish tyranny.
That Bible principles are godly is a matter of opinion, not of fact.

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Thankfully, one day, when Christ reigns and rules on earth, the humanistic form of governance will be a long-past memory.
It ain't going to happen, I'm certain.
It is quite possible that there will be an intervention to prevent us completely destroying ourselves and screwing up our planet.

With all due respect to your beliefs, please understand there are many folks who, having given the matter some serious thought and having studied Christianity, just do not find its core beliefs acceptable. They find them illogical and having no sound basis.

This number is bound to increase, as more and more, folks examine what they are taught.

That's just how it is.
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loudly beat the drums of support for these anti-God practices.
Since when was homosexuality anti-god? David said
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This, then was the sin of you sister Sodom: proud, sated with food, complacent in their prosperity…they gave no help to the poor and needy.
I suggest you open your heart and try http://<a href="http://www.lgcm.org....cm.org.uk/</a>sometime...
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I won't support a UKIP leader that is gay or lesbian because of my Christian religious beliefs in family values but Christians don't have the option of walking away from the political battlefield. Liberalism has already gained an advantage by taking over the schools, the media, and many denominations.
Because believers are neglecting to become involved in politics, the enemy continues to use the political process to manipulate and herd the British into ungodliness. Unopposed, that tyrannical power will ultimately enslave us.

The liberal media today demonstrably hate the idea of Christians becoming actively involved in the political process. Bible-believing ministers are usually portrayed as hateful zealots who are narrow-minded, bigoted, and homophobic when they oppose the anti-God wrongs wrapped up in those key issues described above. To express opposition--especially organized opposition--to the "pro choice" or "gay rights" agendas is to invite hate-filled fire from media, whether from news organizations or from Hollywood and entertainment in general.

The humanists seem to think that Christianity is so naturally offensive it needs to be excluded from areas of public life.

Homosexuals make up less than 6 percent of the population. Yet they are immensely effective in their efforts to impose their minority view on the rest of us. Although they are much greater in number, the same goes for those who push the right to abort babies--most all such killings done for the sake of convenience. The news media and entertainment industries consistently and loudly beat the drums of support for these anti-God practices.

Human beings must, in the final analysis, vote upon the issues of life that will determine how we will be served by human government. Departure from wise, godly principles delineated in the Bible invites the sort of confused and debased culture in which we are mired today. Such foolish decision-making ultimately brings foolish, even debased, perverted leadership, and even devilish tyranny.

Thankfully, one day, when Christ reigns and rules on earth, the humanistic form of governance will be a long-past memory.
Extract from an interview with the Dalai Lama. Alice Thomson - Daily Telegraph 1.04.06

...Although he is known for his tolerant, humane views, he is a surprisingly harsh critic of homosexuality. If you are a Buddhist, he says, it is wrong. "Full stop. No way round it.

"A gay couple came to see me, seeking my support and blessing. I had to explain our teachings. Another lady introduced another woman as her wife - astonishing....
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As it happens I find Christianity somewhat offensive - mainly it offends my reason. That it is responsible for much damage is also true.
Now why does this post not surprise me? :twisted:
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I suggest you open your heart and try http://<a href="http://www.lgcm.org....cm.org.uk/</a>sometime...
Gay Christians, eh?

Somewhere on the web there's a site entitled 'Gay Nazis'.

And there's plenty of historical support for that. :twisted:
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I am not a Chriatian myself but I have never felt threatened by gangs of them hanging around town centers, walking three abreast on the pavement or offering me ‘lucky white heather’ [with menaces].
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As it happens I find Christianity somewhat offensive - mainly it offends my reason. That it is responsible for much damage is also true.
Now why does this post not surprise me? :twisted:
I dunno - why doesn't it surprise you?
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Only a matter of time before we have a straight-gays pressure group campaigning on behalf of all those gays that are being denied their, er...straightness. So, Straight-gays against the EU; straight-gays against the nazis, straight-gays against, er...other none-straight gay type persons against everyone else.

What next, Pink UKIP?
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Can people please not attack the person or their sexuality this post is about their candidature and what they have to offer the party so please stop being small minded and ask the candidates relevant questions.
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