Nikki would get those seats back

Aardvark · 18-05-2006, 08:17 PM

C...After what you told me about Denmark the other day I am sure you have seen many a mud wrestling competition! :wink:

If all the legally qualified people are joining in, can I just say that "A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client."

The only valid opinion on this is an independent one. If the supposition that we could get our seats back is true then one has to ask why the Tories haven't ousted Roger Helmer?

If we tried and lost, and this really is uncharted territory, then, as has been said, we would look very silly and very bankrupt.

I accept that Nikki has taken soundings from lawyers and academics, but these were not based on proper instructions to counsel, IMHO. The advice is therefore not tested by reference to a properly prepared opinion.

For instance AM did not resign the whip, but was, at Nikki's behest so he told me, suspended from membership of UKIP (correct me Nikki, but you told me that you had handled his candidate's application form and he had not mentioned the impending court case). If this is the case I could see AM saying that he would gladly be a UKIP MEP and that he was elected as such. If he lost his job because the party suspended him without a full hearing then I suspect that he would have an action against the party.

RKS might argue that he was promised party leadership in some pre-election deal and that certain people had reneged so, as an honourable man, he had no choice but to leave.

When counsel prepares an opinion it is always useful to have both sides of the argument. Counsel/silk would charge about £5K for a half way decent opinion on this one. I wouldn't bet on there being a better than 30% chance of success, IMHO, not having drafted a formal legal opinion on anything since 1980! :roll:

eublues · 18-05-2006, 08:28 PM

Nikki Sinclaire may ultimately be right (or maybe not) but for UKIP to head into unchartered territory on this one would be foolish when (a) it doesn't have money, (b) it has more pressing matters to address.

Nikki Sinclaire · 19-05-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Petrina

Sorry Nikki it is you who is way of the mark .

I advised the party not to appeal your case because I knew we would lose, it was such an obvious point .

According to then Party Chairman, David Lott you were asked for your opinon two months prior to the case coming to court. You concurred with the wrong opinion.

I have checked with Michael Zuckerman he did not tell you that he assisted/advised me in the High Court action. Probably because he didn't. Why it is relevant anyway beats me. You seem to enjoy creating a false impression for the sake of it. Can we debate policy PLEASE?

Petrina · 19-05-2006, 10:38 PM

Sorry Nikki don`t agree with either of you alleged responses .By all means talk about policy .

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18-05-2006, 08:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,256	C...After what you told me about Denmark the other day I am sure you have seen many a mud wrestling competition! :wink: If all the legally qualified people are joining in, can I just say that "A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client." The only valid opinion on this is an independent one. If the supposition that we could get our seats back is true then one has to ask why the Tories haven't ousted Roger Helmer? If we tried and lost, and this really is uncharted territory, then, as has been said, we would look very silly and very bankrupt. I accept that Nikki has taken soundings from lawyers and academics, but these were not based on proper instructions to counsel, IMHO. The advice is therefore not tested by reference to a properly prepared opinion. For instance AM did not resign the whip, but was, at Nikki's behest so he told me, suspended from membership of UKIP (correct me Nikki, but you told me that you had handled his candidate's application form and he had not mentioned the impending court case). If this is the case I could see AM saying that he would gladly be a UKIP MEP and that he was elected as such. If he lost his job because the party suspended him without a full hearing then I suspect that he would have an action against the party. RKS might argue that he was promised party leadership in some pre-election deal and that certain people had reneged so, as an honourable man, he had no choice but to leave. When counsel prepares an opinion it is always useful to have both sides of the argument. Counsel/silk would charge about £5K for a half way decent opinion on this one. I wouldn't bet on there being a better than 30% chance of success, IMHO, not having drafted a formal legal opinion on anything since 1980! :roll:

18-05-2006, 08:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,195	Nikki Sinclaire may ultimately be right (or maybe not) but for UKIP to head into unchartered territory on this one would be foolish when (a) it doesn't have money, (b) it has more pressing matters to address.

19-05-2006, 10:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,064	Sorry Nikki don`t agree with either of you alleged responses .By all means talk about policy .