DavidOfKent

No. Parliament is enough.

andypandy

For UKIP, maybe, not for English Nationalists.

David Agnew

One of the (very many) things wrong with the established parties, is that they divide the British people on the basis of nationality, and treat them differently. There are lots of people (including me) who want a party that will treat all British people the same, and govern the UK as a whole.

C_steam

Can this be the same person who only today suggested that UKIP should have a policy to pay billions to air condition the tube system in the capital cesspit?

This-England

UKIP will only do well in Scotland if it becomes a pro-independence Scottish Nationalist party or a Sectarian Scottish Unionist party.
There is no inbetween.

Here is an example of the second option.

www.scottishunionistparty.co.uk/

This party got around 5% of the vote in two seats in the general election in Scotland.
With UKIP's money, members and anti-EU policys plus added anti-immigration policys it could easly gain seats in the Scottish parliament.

Petrina

This English business is a double edged sword as far as the EU is concerned .On the one hand they are concerned about the English getting their act together ,because let`s face it ,if the English finally throw their weight behind the concept of independence from the EU, it will happen.
We have the wealth ,the numbers ,the sheer bloodly mindeness to make it happen .The Celtic Fringe do not .

On the other hand the EU have spread the idea of "separateness" as a means to an end -separate and divide ,so a half-hearted English movement which shuns their Celtic brothers in Wales /Scotlnad is quite useful as it feeds the hostility felt to wards us by the Scots /Welsh -God knows why they still don`t like us but there it is .

"They" must be watching it all with interest .At the moment it is all going roughly to plan ,we have devolution, with Scottish /Welsh MPs voting on English issues which has annoyed and upset the English but as yet the English have still not become " radicalised " .When we do the EU will be in trouble.I only hope that we English don`t leave it too late .

Johnny Hates Jazz

With 31% now supporting English Independence, the English movement is developing pace.

I was indeed surprised to see this figure.

ED

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English not British not European
- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections

Britannist

There is no doubt that the English are 'getting aware' of their national identity. English flags stayed up after England left this year's World Cup and many are still flying. I notice quite a few properties with purpose-built flagpoles with English flags still up.

When I pointed out a Union Jack (Union Flag) (hanging from someone's window) to a UKIP member (someone who is half English and half Scottish by origin) a couple of weeks ago, he said "that's a bit old fashioned and out-of-date". Every other flag flying in that particular road was the English (St. George's) flag and many are still up even though the World Football Cup finished on 9th July.

It always was Scots who wouldn't fly the Union Flag (allegedly because the Cross of St. George is superimposed over their own St. Andrew's Cross). Now it seems some English are no longer identifying with the UK (Union Jack) as their own flag anymore.

I would say the profession to be in at the moment is to be a flag maker/flag shop seller who makes/sells the English flag. It would be interesting to see the statistics on just how many English flags compared to Union Jacks are now being sold.

The English flag has quite definitely replaced the Union Jack in England.

Britannist

Very well put 8) . The EU hates the English because they are the only large nation/people in or close to the western part of the european continent who are prepared to question and/or stand up to the corrupt, incompetence and hypocritical power-hungry anti-democratic Soviet-style structure that is the EU.

Maybe it's time for UKIP Scotland to be re-named the "Free Scotland" party which campaigns for a Scotland free of the EU but within a kind of federal UK. The same for UKIP Wales. It could become "The Wales Party" (it could not be called "Free Wales" because that is the English translation of the europhile nationalist 'Plaid Cymru').

Both parties would therefore have, respectively, Scottish and Welsh identities and they would be in a unique position to show the voters of Scotland and Wales that the vile Scottish National Party (SNP) and Plaid Cymru (PC)are not real nationalist parties seeking to recover national sovereignty - but are just front organisations for the EU. We need a party in Scotland with a specifically Scottish name and character to campaign against the SNP and europhile Liberal 'Democrats' who both want the euro and want to get rid of the Pound and Scottish Sterling banknotes. Most of the Scottish electorate are quite unaware of this threat to their currency but opinion polls show that the euro is not at all popular in Scotland and that up to half of SNP voters are actually anti-euro. A similar situation exists in Wales. The people of Wales might listen to an anti-euro and anti-EU party if had 'Wales' as part of its name. Welsh people need to be warned that the Welsh Labour, Liberal Dim and Plaid Cymru parties are all officially committed to the euro and EU Constitution.

The SNP and PC seek to get power from Westminster and give it straight to Brussels instead (or to their power/sovereignty secured from Westminster in regional structures - Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly - in accordance with EU 'regional' policy). Neither party offers independence in the way that those who vote for them understand it.

With UKIP Scotland and UKIP Wales becoming the 'Free Scotland' and 'Wales Party' that would leave UKIP in England to become an English Independence Party possibly coming to some sort of electoral agreement (or merger) with the existing English Independence Party and the English Democrats.

The Democratic Unionists seem to be more or less anti-EU so there is no need for anyone on the UK mainland (in the anti-EU movement) to encroach on their electoral territory in Northern Ireland.

andypandy

Britannist, I am sure that you would agree that the Danes are probably even more anti-EU than the Brits, and are certainly better organised against the EU than we are, and that anti-EU parties have generally achieved more for longer than those in the UK.

When the Danes voted to narrowly join the EU back in the ealy 70's, the entire island of Sjaeland or Zeeland (with Copenhagen, has half of Denmark's population) voted against joing the EU, but the vote was topped by a larger support in MAINLAND Jutland and elsewhere (the bit connected to Germany.

Islands, generally, have a higher suspicion of anything continental, as with the case in the UK of anti-Common Market vote in the Northern Isles in 1975. This largely expalins the attitudes in Faroe, and even in Germany, where Helgoland is in a unique position within the EU of having a special customs and excise agreement.

These tinly islands have the answer!

Now, what was that Isle of Wight Independence Party all about?