Roger Knapman hires Polish workers

Niall Warry · 08-05-2006, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

I don't believe in targeting Roger Knapman because he has done a grood job as Chairman. He's standing down soon anyway, isn't he?
He is leader actually and please enlighten me on the 'good' he has done?

We all make mistakes.
Yes we do but surely we want our elected officals to be accountable?

However it should be made 100% plain that UKIP is opposed to foreign workers - Poles or whatever - undercutting British workmen.
Therefore you are quite clear you disaprove of what RK has done?

Right now free movement of labour and free trade are doing this country more harm than good. We had all that economic liberal twaddle in the Tories, and I for one have had enough of it. So have the public
So RK has made a big mistake?

Britain out of the EU should be a Britain that is prepared to consider indroducing protection wherever and whenever it will protect jobs and wages.

C_steam · 08-05-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mac

I understand that an NEC meeting was called today to discuss this matter.

No. The NEC meeting has long been scheduled for today. But it'll sure to be a topic of discussion!

Niall Warry · 08-05-2006, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

I don't believe in ..........it will protect jobs and wages.

<Niall, no point just reposting other's post in duplicate. Any more and it'd look like spamming, wouldn't you think?> C_S

HarryUKIP · 09-05-2006, 06:27 PM

The other aspect that is little mentioned is what do we expect of our Leader?

I want a Leader working night and day for the party. Not one who spends time renovating a property and feels able to chat to all and sundry and help push his son's business.

We need a Leader who devotes themselves to the party.

This part time approach can be seen in the half hearted **** eyed shambles at the top.

It is bad enough that he spends so much time in Europe, he then caps it all by spending time in his country retreat.

How about giving 60 hours a week to running UKIP Roger?

Anthony Butcher · 09-05-2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryUKIP

How about giving 60 hours a week to running UKIP Roger?

It is impossible for an MEP to act as leader in a full time capacity, unfortunately. They are busy fullfilling their duties in Brussels.

eublues · 09-05-2006, 07:15 PM

What are these "duties"?

I know Farage has been highly involved in useful digging at the EU Parliament and helping to organise the general EU sceptic movement across the EU, and I can see that this is of potential great benefit to UKIP (and the British people), but what exactly has Roger Knapman been achieving, and for whom, by being at Brussels/Strasbourg?

Bluemerle · 09-05-2006, 07:35 PM

Anthony Butcher wrote:-

Quote:

It is impossible for an MEP to act as leader in a full time capacity, unfortunately. They are busy fullfilling their duties in Brussels.

Then he shouldn't be leader.

Harry UKIP wrote:-

Quote:

We need a Leader who devotes themselves to the party.

Exactly. He's obviously not up to the job and should go.

mkpdavies · 09-05-2006, 08:08 PM

I think the real question we now have to ask is why is he hanging on anyway? What benefit is a demob happy (That's a quote by the way) "leader", who has clearly nothing more to give the party.

Why are his little team of sychophants, ****-kissers and hanger-ons still happy to let UKIP trundle along, making nil progress and watching other parties get stuck in instead?

Perhaps because that is the exact plan the Tories have always had. The thought of certain key people losing grip of UKIP and it actually going on to be a succesful party scares the **** of them.

Which brings us to the hatred of this forum from the higher ups. Now why would that be I wonder. Couldn't be the fact it is the only channel they can't control, could it.

UKIP needs to elect someone who will put the MEP's right back in their box. Someone who will return propper control of the party to the NEC and will stop the old gang style of management that we have seen for so long now. If that doesn't happen, then don't bank on UKIP going any further, other than at maybe EU elections, which are nearly useless in the scheme of things anyway.

Britannist · 09-05-2006, 08:22 PM

The press seem to be playing their part in trying to embarrass UKIP. There's no doubt that the europhile establishment which controls the majority of the national press (and most of the local press) hates UKIP.

Let's briefly look at the facts/history briefly of negative reporting of UKIP members of the EU 'Parliament' over the last 23 months:

When Kilroy was in UKIP hostile stories against him soon started appearing in the press (when the newspapers were no longer reliant on cash from UKIP for EU election campaign advertising)

Sarah Sands, as editor of the normally eurosceptic Sunday Telegraph ran the stories against UKIP MEP Tom Wise. Fortunately, Sands has since got the boot (and the Sunday Telegraph under Patience Wheatcroft's editorship - at least at the moment - looks all the better for it)

Nigel Farage was the subject of a "he's (allegedly)seeing another woman" story in the News of the World a couple of months back

Godfrey Bloom UKIP MEP has been the subject of a number of silly stories in the press

Ashley Mote (elected as a UKIP MEP) has also been reported in the press over the court case

Now it's the turn of UKIP party leader Roger Knapman (Sunday Times article on 7.5.2006 over Polish workmen doing building work on his house)

I'm surprised the Sunday Times appear to have 'saved' the Roger Knapman story until after the 2006 local elections have taken place. They could have, perhaps, run it the week before to try to damage UKIP on polling day last Thursday. Who knows, maybe they couldn't get the story published in time. Or they thought UKIP weren't going to do well in the local elections last week and decided they didn't need damaging.

So that's almost half of the 12 people originally elected as UKIP MEP's who the press have reported negatively on.

Is not a theme developing to all of this? That, perhaps, the europhile press (or someone who hates UKIP who is working with/for the press) is out to discredit as many of the UKIP MEP's as possible?

The amount of money that various newspapers must be spending to pay reporters to 'research' and compile these stories and reports against UKIP MEP's must be huge in total.

Bluemerle · 09-05-2006, 08:36 PM

Matt, fwiw I agree with you. The Leaders have done nothing to help advance what was a superb result after the EU elections. They let things slide. Afterall, they are OK, on nice fat salaries and big expenses, swanning around Brussels. They have done nothing to promote the party here in the UK where it is necessary.

It is sheer hypocrisy for him to hang on to his title, he is no better than Prescott, hanging on to his perks and not doing any work for the Party.

09-05-2006, 08:08 PM	#78 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,078 Party: Libertarian Party	I think the real question we now have to ask is why is he hanging on anyway? What benefit is a demob happy (That's a quote by the way) "leader", who has clearly nothing more to give the party. Why are his little team of sychophants, **-kissers and hanger-ons still happy to let UKIP trundle along, making nil progress and watching other parties get stuck in instead? Perhaps because that is the exact plan the Tories have always had. The thought of certain key people losing grip of UKIP and it actually going on to be a succesful party scares the ** of them. Which brings us to the hatred of this forum from the higher ups. Now why would that be I wonder. Couldn't be the fact it is the only channel they can't control, could it. UKIP needs to elect someone who will put the MEP's right back in their box. Someone who will return propper control of the party to the NEC and will stop the old gang style of management that we have seen for so long now. If that doesn't happen, then don't bank on UKIP going any further, other than at maybe EU elections, which are nearly useless in the scheme of things anyway. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

09-05-2006, 08:22 PM	#79 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 23,176	Press spending alot of money on anti-UKIP MEP reports The press seem to be playing their part in trying to embarrass UKIP. There's no doubt that the europhile establishment which controls the majority of the national press (and most of the local press) hates UKIP. Let's briefly look at the facts/history briefly of negative reporting of UKIP members of the EU 'Parliament' over the last 23 months: When Kilroy was in UKIP hostile stories against him soon started appearing in the press (when the newspapers were no longer reliant on cash from UKIP for EU election campaign advertising) Sarah Sands, as editor of the normally eurosceptic Sunday Telegraph ran the stories against UKIP MEP Tom Wise. Fortunately, Sands has since got the boot (and the Sunday Telegraph under Patience Wheatcroft's editorship - at least at the moment - looks all the better for it) Nigel Farage was the subject of a "he's (allegedly)seeing another woman" story in the News of the World a couple of months back Godfrey Bloom UKIP MEP has been the subject of a number of silly stories in the press Ashley Mote (elected as a UKIP MEP) has also been reported in the press over the court case Now it's the turn of UKIP party leader Roger Knapman (Sunday Times article on 7.5.2006 over Polish workmen doing building work on his house) I'm surprised the Sunday Times appear to have 'saved' the Roger Knapman story until after the 2006 local elections have taken place. They could have, perhaps, run it the week before to try to damage UKIP on polling day last Thursday. Who knows, maybe they couldn't get the story published in time. Or they thought UKIP weren't going to do well in the local elections last week and decided they didn't need damaging. So that's almost half of the 12 people originally elected as UKIP MEP's who the press have reported negatively on. Is not a theme developing to all of this? That, perhaps, the europhile press (or someone who hates UKIP who is working with/for the press) is out to discredit as many of the UKIP MEP's as possible? The amount of money that various newspapers must be spending to pay reporters to 'research' and compile these stories and reports against UKIP MEP's must be huge in total.

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09-05-2006, 06:27 PM	#74 (permalink)
HarryUKIP Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 49	The other aspect that is little mentioned is what do we expect of our Leader? I want a Leader working night and day for the party. Not one who spends time renovating a property and feels able to chat to all and sundry and help push his son's business. We need a Leader who devotes themselves to the party. This part time approach can be seen in the half hearted **** eyed shambles at the top. It is bad enough that he spends so much time in Europe, he then caps it all by spending time in his country retreat. How about giving 60 hours a week to running UKIP Roger?

09-05-2006, 07:15 PM	#76 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,194	What are these "duties"? I know Farage has been highly involved in useful digging at the EU Parliament and helping to organise the general EU sceptic movement across the EU, and I can see that this is of potential great benefit to UKIP (and the British people), but what exactly has Roger Knapman been achieving, and for whom, by being at Brussels/Strasbourg?

09-05-2006, 08:36 PM	#80 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	Matt, fwiw I agree with you. The Leaders have done nothing to help advance what was a superb result after the EU elections. They let things slide. Afterall, they are OK, on nice fat salaries and big expenses, swanning around Brussels. They have done nothing to promote the party here in the UK where it is necessary. It is sheer hypocrisy for him to hang on to his title, he is no better than Prescott, hanging on to his perks and not doing any work for the Party.